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Volume 8, Number 11 18 March 1991
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Editor in Chief: Vince Perriello
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Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell
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Chief Procrastinator Emeritus: Tom Jennings
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Copyright 1991, Fido Software. All rights reserved. Duplication
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Most articles are unsolicited. Our policy is to publish every
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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Sometimes EVERYTHING gets under your skin ................ 1
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2. ARTICLES ................................................. 2
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Indianapolis is now PC-Pursuitable ....................... 2
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The so called WorldPol, a Disclaimer ..................... 3
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Why Tony Instead of Amnon for Z1EC ....................... 4
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WorldPol - World Saviour? ................................ 6
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A PointOp's View on WorldPol ............................. 8
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3. LATEST VERSIONS .......................................... 10
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Latest Software Versions ................................. 10
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4. NOTICES .................................................. 15
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And more!
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 1 18 Mar 1991
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EDITORIAL
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You know what it's like. You reach such a level of annoyance at
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certain things that you don't even want to talk about them. But
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everytime you think about them, you start to get really upset.
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Your blood pressure goes up. You yell at your wife. You get rude
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with your mother.
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For me this week, it's Microsoft C 6.00A, Worldpol and the Z1EC
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election, in no particular order.
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I expect to recover from my problem with the C compiler. Dunno if
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the other two will be as easy.
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I still think the best way to handle whatever it is that Pablo
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has on his mind is to split FidoNet into independent domains. I
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still think that the most foolish way to deal with it is this
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Worldpol thing. It ruins a lot of what made FidoNet useful in a
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failed attempt to fix a few regional problems. I'm glad my name
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isn't on it.
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As for the Z1EC elections -- maybe we are better off without a
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ZEC if this is what we have to go through to get one. In
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retrospect, it appears to me that the echomail got through just
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fine with a bitbucket as a ZEC. Why bother? Vote "NO."
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Yuch. It smells around here. I'll talk to you later.
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 2 18 Mar 1991
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ARTICLES
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Dave Appel, 1:231/30
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INDIANAPOLIS IS NOW PC-PURSUITABLE
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After years of promises, Telenet's (SprintNet's) PC-Pursuit
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service, also known as PCP, has finally installed outdials in
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Indianapolis. The official announcement from Telenet is still
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forthcoming, but the outdials are in place.
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Indy's semi-official BBS list comes from the IUPUI BBoard,
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and is maintained by sysop Don Smith. This file can be
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requested from most of our Fido nodes as file INDY0301.ZIP.
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The latest version contains 96 local boards. However,
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taking all the multi-line boards into account, we have over 150
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BBS lines!
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Some of the multi-line boards of note are: PBS-BBS (Public
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Brand Software) 856-2087, noted for its shareware; Data Central
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543-2007, files and GIFs; User's Choice 894-1378, GIFs; and L.C.
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Midwest 924-2219, a dating/adult board. Those are pay boards.
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Indy is also Telelink/Starlink node 9349. Some people feel
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that Starlink is a better service than PC-Pursuit.
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Assuming that the outdial is in the same exchange as PCP's
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indial, the following exchanges should be accessible according
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to Indiana Bell's white pages. I include this list for your
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convenience because PCP has not yet published an official XCH
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list. Please excuse any typos or errors. These exchanges
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include Indianapolis proper, Carmel, Zionsville, Noblesville,
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Speedway, Beech Grove, Greenwood, Plainfield, Brownsburg,
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Fishers, Greenfield, Mooresville, and New Palestine.
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Outdial Site: D/ININD
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317 222 226 230 231 232 233 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 3 18 Mar 1991
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Bill Bolton
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3:711/403
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The so called WorldPol, a Dislaimer
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I would like to make it clear to everyone that the fact that my
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name appears in the "Credits" section of the so called
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"WordlPol" should not be interpreted as support on my part for
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the document, in part or in whole. I do not support the
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document.
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Fidonet Zones are able under Fidonet POLICY4 to request a policy
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variation by the IC to suit any local conditions which may
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effect the application of any aspect of Fidonet POLICY4. The IC
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has never received a request from any Zone for variation of
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POLICY4 for any reason.
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Bill Bolton
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Zone 3 Co-ordinator
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 4 18 Mar 1991
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Why Tony Instead of Amnon for Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator
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Bob Germer
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1:266/21
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In the current runoff election for Zone 1 Echomail Coordinator,
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we have two very experienced, capable, dedicated individuals.
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Were these the only three qualifications for the job, there
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would be no valid way to choose between them. Certainly those
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three traits are critical for the incumbent in the position.
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However, I think there are two more traits which also must be
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considered carefully when making the choice. These two traits
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are consistancy and maturity. When these two traits are added
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to the balance, the scales tip heavily in one direction in my
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opinion.
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I have watched the actions and positions of Tony and Amnon for
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the nearly five years I have been active in Fidonet. My
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opinions are based on my interpretation of their actions as an
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observer since I have never interacted directly with either
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gentleman.
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Consistancy is important since none of us are fortune tellers
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and we can only make a choice based upon past history. While this
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is far from a perfect guide as our experiences with United States
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Presidents past show, it's all we really have.
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Tony has often taken a position, sometimes one in direct oppo-
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sition to the thinking of much of Fidonet. So has Amnon for
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that matter. However, Tony has never deviated from his position
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even while implementing policies, practices, etc. which his
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duties required despite his own opposition. Amnon, on the other
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hand, has changed his position more than once for reasons known
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only to himself and he has refused to follow Policy.
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Maturity is necessary since the Z1EC must deal with many differ-
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ent types of problems and people. Neither qualifies as a Ralph
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Bunche to be sure, but Tony has exhibited more maturity than
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Amnon. When Tony disagrees, he campaigns, works, etc. to get
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Fidonet to change all the while doing things the accepted way.
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Amnon, on the other hand, has done it his way and let the chips
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fall where they may.
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One particular "battle" shows the shortcomings of Amnon vis-a-vis
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Tony in maturity and consistancy. Let me elaborate.
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Those of us who were members of Fidonet in 1987, 1988, 1989 or
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thereabouts can remember the refusal of Amnon to conform to the
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rules of moving echomail, his flat out challenges to one and all
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to stop him from doing things his way, his daring of the *C
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structure to excommunicate him, his promise to circumvent any
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controls the net as a whole imposed. He flamed one and all in at
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least two forums if they dared to suggest that his was way not
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the right way or the only way.
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 5 18 Mar 1991
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I'm not saying that he was right or wrong in his position, but I
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am saying that he didn't work within Fidonet but attacked it in
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a very vocal and nasty way. Revolution rather than constitution-
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al change appeared to be his aim.
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Then suddenly, he "saw the light". Was it a "conversion" or was
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it the spoiled child who saw himself as a clear loser and came
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crawling back? Only Amnon can say for sure.
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The result of this change attempt to move back into the Fidonet
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power structure was a near revolt in his region, calls for his
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recall, challenges to elections, etc. Many long-time sysops in
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his region of the US left Fidonet or joined alternate newtworks.
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Amnon's actions were in many ways the catalyst for the formation
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of Eggnet.
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So, for this old grey head, the choice has to be Tony Davis. I
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hope the majority of the voters agree with me.
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 6 18 Mar 1991
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WorldPol - Is it all it's cracked up to be?
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I've been hearing a lot about WorldPol. About how it's the best
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thing since canned beer. About how wonderfully gee whiz
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democratically-elected and ultimately fantastic it is. It's so
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great, don't even bother to read it, just get your NC to vote
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for it.
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Fight-O-Net politics aside, I decided to have a closer squizz at
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the thing. Well, I didn't have much choice, it got posted into
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ZONE3_SYSOP when the vote was announced. Although I had read it
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before, I figured I'd really give it the once over. I'm glad I
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did. I probably should have offered these comments while it was
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being formulated, but I guess it's better now than not at all.
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First, much of the language used in WorldPol is vague. Too
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vague. Sure, Policy4 is vague too, but if we're going to have a
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replacement why not make it a little easier to understand and
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read?
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Let me give one example: democratic elections by "western
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standards". What the hell is a western standard of democracy?
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Some "western" countries aren't very democratic at all. Of
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those which are loosely labelled "democratic" there's a HUGE
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difference between their respective methodologies for elections.
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And of course there are those of us who might dispute just how
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"democratic" the "West" really is anyway!
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Also, who's to say that this magical panacea called "western
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democracy" is the ideal method of running this network anyway?
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(Well? there's a possibility it might not be!)
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So, the proponents say that each Zone/Region/Net can set it's
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own rules. What about if they directly contradict WorlPol,
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and/or each other? Which takes precedence? Shouldn't it be
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global Policy, not local policy? It just HAS to be MORE
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SPECIFIC about election guidelines before it's useful.
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While I'm carping about elections, I'll also carp about _who_
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gets to vote. WorldPol aims to give the "grunt sysop"
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emancipation. This is a very laudable idea and shuld be
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supported BUT not in the absence of a comprehensive system of
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voter division. Co-ordinating a vote of potentially 6000 people
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plus is a _major_ vote returning effort. There's no attempt to
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enforce electoral sub-division so potentially the Zone
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Co-ordinator Council may have to count all those votes
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themselves.
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Now, onto what I think is the killing blow (for me) for WorlPol.
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The loss of geographic Net division. Up until now, FidoNet has
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divided Nets by geography and by geography alone. This is ideal
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- it keeps PERSONAL and POLITICAL matters OUT of choosing what
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net you belong to. As long as you weren't excessively annoying
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or annoyed and you complied with the few technical standards,
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you were entitled to a node number. But now the cat's out of the
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bag.
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 7 18 Mar 1991
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You see, POLICY4 already allows you to get echomail from
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ANYWHERE you want. All you _have_ to use your net structure for
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is NETMAIL, nodediffs, Fidonews. That's that.
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Also this method (of net choosing) f**ks with election
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demographics. Say the local region's policy is that each net
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votes and the net co-ordinator is bound to vote for the majority
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view. This gives large, popular, nets an electoral disadvantage.
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There's infinite variations on this scenario. IMHO the loss of
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geographic nets will cause too much damage to the fabric of
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FidoNet.
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So there you have it. A dissenting grunt sysop! The aims of
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WorldPol are commendable but it's implementation is NOT. It's
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just too VAGUE. We could end up with a much WORSE situation
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than the current one. That's why I'm going to ask my NC to vote
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AGAINST WorldPol. What you do is up to you, but whatever you do,
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READ it and think CAREFULLY, please, for all our sakes.
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Scot Art, System-X 3:712/634
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 8 18 Mar 1991
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Aaron Goldblatt
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1:130/20.1102 FidoNet
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20:491/223.0 MailNet
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A PointOp's View on WorldPol
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One of the problems with the way FidoNet works is its treatment
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of point systems. Point systems provide a quick, efficient way
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for users to interface with FidoNet instead of fighting through a
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long line of human callers, online time limits, and the lure of
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other areas of the BBS (games, files, etc.). Occasionally a user
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has to call twice (or more!) to read all the message s/he wants.
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Point systems eliminate this need, thereby serving a useful place
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in FidoNet.
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POLICY4, in my view, has some serious flaws, but I won't point
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most of them out here. WorldPol fixes many of these problems but
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fails to address my major problem.
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Under POLICY4 point operators have zero rights with regard to the
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operation of FidoNet. They can not vote, they are not privy to
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sysop-only echomail confrences, they have no say in anything.
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WorldPol is a good document, but in this area it too fails.
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What the authors of WorldPol have failed to note, in my opinion,
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the signifigant contribution to the growth of FidoNet that
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pointops have provided. I hear of many people writing new
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utilities in response to a technical glitch, to provide some new
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feature to software previously only dreamed about, to contribute
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something new and innovative. I use some of these products and
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have found them extremely useful.
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The authors of WorldPol have failed to recongnize the signifigant
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amounts of time that pointops spend working on their systems. I
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have changed mailers not less than three times looking for
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something that will do what I want - I think I've found it. I
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have spent long nights tweaking my system to get rid of each
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problem as it arises - I know others have, as well. I'd willing
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to bet that some pointops spend more time working on their
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systems than their bossnodes do.
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The authors of WorldPol have failed to recognize the signifigant
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role that pointops play in some of the message areas of FidoNet.
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They devote large amounts of space to big message areas - I
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receive several very large echos and store them in MSG format.
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They don't have to - they could instead devote the space to
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games, utilities, or other, more profitable persuits.
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The only thing, in my opinion, that pointops don't do that sysops
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do is receive netmail during ZMH - that's it. For myself, it's
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not so much a lack of desire to become a full member of FidoNet -
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it's a lack of funds. I won't go into detail - just enough to
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say that I can't afford the hardware required to run a reliable
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system.
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 9 18 Mar 1991
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Pointops deserve consideration in FidoNet, even if it's not to
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the point of giving them full node status. In my view, WorldPol
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needs to be changed to reflect a new attitude and a new role for
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pointops in the changing world of FidoNet. If I had a vote in
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the matter of WorldPol I would seriously consider voting against
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it for this reason. I am not saying that WorldPol is not a good
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document, but I think it does have some flaws. I think they need
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to be seriously considered by those who may vote, and by those
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who influence the voters. POLICY4 has got to go - but is
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WorldPol its replacement?
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I have serious reservations.
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I can tell that I'm going to get a lot of netmail over this and
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will happily accept it, but I can't gurantee a reply. If any of
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that mail is a question as to why I put this in the News, well,
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this is about my only good forum - most of the people in
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INTERUSER aren't interested, and I can't access those sysop-only
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echos 'cause pointops have no rights . . . remember?
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LATEST VERSIONS
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Latest Software Versions
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MS-DOS Systems
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Bulletin Board Software
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DMG 2.93 Phoenix 1.3 TAG 2.5g
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Fido 12s+ QuickBBS 2.66 TBBS 2.1
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GSBBS 3.02 RBBS 17.3B TComm/TCommNet 3.4
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Lynx 1.30 RBBSmail 17.3B Telegard 2.5
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Kitten 2.16 RemoteAccess 1.00* TPBoard 6.1
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Maximus 1.02 SLBBS 1.77A Wildcat! 2.55
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Opus 1.14+ Socrates 1.10 WWIV 4.12
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PCBoard 14.5 XBBS 1.15
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Network Node List Other
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Mailers Version Utilities Version Utilities Version
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BinkleyTerm 2.40 EditNL 4.00 ARC 7.0
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D'Bridge 1.30 MakeNL 2.31 ARCAsim 2.30
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Dutchie 2.90C ParseList 1.30 ARCmail 2.07
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FrontDoor 1.99c Prune 1.40 ConfMail 4.00
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PRENM 1.47 SysNL 3.14 Crossnet v1.5
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SEAdog 4.51b XlatList 2.90 DOMAIN 1.42
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TIMS 1.0(Mod8) XlaxDiff 2.35 EMM 2.02
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XlaxNode 2.35 4Dog/4DMatrix 1.18
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Gmail 2.05
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GROUP 2.16
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GUS 1.30
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HeadEdit 1.15
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InterPCB 1.31
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LHARC 2.10*
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MSG 4.1
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MSGED 2.06
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MSGTOSS 1.3
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Oliver 1.0a
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PK[UN]ZIP 1.10
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QM 1.0
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QSORT 4.03
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Sirius 1.0x
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SLMAIL 1.36
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StarLink 1.01
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TagMail 2.41
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TCOMMail 2.2
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Telemail 1.27
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 11 18 Mar 1991
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TMail 1.15
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TPBNetEd 3.2
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TosScan 1.00
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UFGATE 1.03
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XRS 4.10*
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XST 2.2
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ZmailH 1.14
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OS/2 Systems
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
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Name Version Name Version Name Version
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Maximus-CBCS 1.02 BinkleyTerm 2.40 Parselst 1.32
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ConfMail 4.00
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EchoStat 6.0
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oMMM 1.52
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Omail 3.1
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MsgEd 2.06
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MsgLink 1.0C
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MsgNum 4.14
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LH2 0.50
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PK[UN]ZIP 1.02
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ARC2 6.00
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PolyXARC 2.00
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Qsort 2.1
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Raid 1.0
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Remapper 1.2
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Tick 2.0
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VPurge 2.07
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Xenix/Unix
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BBS Software Mailers Other Utilities
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Name Version Name Version Name Version
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BinkleyTerm 2.30b Unzip 3.10
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ARC 5.21
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ParseLst 1.30b
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ConfMail 3.31b
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Ommm 1.40b
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Msged 1.99b
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Zoo 2.01
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C-Lharc 1.00
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Omail 1.00b
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 12 18 Mar 1991
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Apple II
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
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GBBS Pro 2.1 Fruity Dog 1.0 ShrinkIt 3.2
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DDBBS + 4.0 ShrinkIt GS 1.04
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deARC2e 2.1
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ProSel 8.65
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Apple CP/M
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
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Daisy v2j Daisy Mailer 0.38 Nodecomp 0.37
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MsgUtil 2.5
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PackUser v4
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Filer v2-D
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UNARC.COM 1.20
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Macintosh
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
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Red Ryder Host 2.1 Tabby 2.2 MacArc 0.04
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Mansion 7.15 Copernicus 1.0 ArcMac 1.3
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WWIV (Mac) 3.0 LHArc 0.33
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Hermes 1.01 StuffIt Classic 1.6
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FBBS 0.91 Compactor 1.21
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TImport 1.92
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TExport 1.92
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Timestamp 1.6
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Tset 1.3
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Import 3.2
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Export 3.21
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Sundial 3.2
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PreStamp 3.2
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OriginatorII 2.0
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AreaFix 1.6
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Mantissa 3.21
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Zenith 1.5
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 13 18 Mar 1991
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Eventmeister 1.0
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TSort 1.0
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Mehitable 2.0
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UNZIP 1.02c
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Amiga
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Bulletin Board Software Network Mailers Other Utilities
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Name Version Name Version Name Version
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Paragon 2.082+ BinkleyTerm 1.00 AmigArc 0.23
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TransAmiga 1.05 TrapDoor 1.50 AReceipt 1.5
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WelMat 0.42 booz 1.01
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ConfMail 1.10
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ChameleonEdit 0.10
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ElectricHerald1.66
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Lharc 1.30
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MessageFilter 1.52
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oMMM 1.49b
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ParseLst 1.30
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PkAX 1.00
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PK[UN]ZIP 1.01
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PolyxAmy 2.02
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RMB 1.30
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RoboWriter 1.02
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Skyparse 2.30
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TrapList 1.12
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Yuck! 1.61
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Zippy (Unzip) 1.25
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Zoo 2.01
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Atari ST/TT
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Bulletin Board Network Node List
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Software Version Mailer Version Utilities Version
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FIDOdoor/ST 2.12* BinkleyTerm 2.40l* ParseList 1.30
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QuickBBS/ST 1.02 The BOX 1.20 Xlist 1.12
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Pandora BBS 2.41c EchoFix 1.20
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GS Point 0.61 sTICk/Hatch 5.10*
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LED ST 1.00
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MSGED 1.96S
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Archiver Msg Format Other
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Utilities Version Converters Version Utilities Version
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 14 18 Mar 1991
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LHARC 0.60 TB2BINK 1.00 ConfMail 4.03
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ARC 6.02 BINK2TB 1.00 ComScan 1.02
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PKUNZIP 1.10 FiFo 2.1j* Import 1.14
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OMMM 1.40
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Pack 1.00
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FastPack 1.20
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FDsysgen 2.16
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FDrenum 2.10
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Trenum 0.10
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Archimedes
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BBS Software Mailers Utilities
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Name Version Name Version Name Version
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ARCbbs 1.44 BinkleyTerm 2.03 Unzip 2.1TH
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ARC 1.03
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!Spark 2.00d
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ParseLst 1.30
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BatchPacker 1.00
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+ Netmail capable (does not require additional mailer software)
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* Recently changed
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Utility authors: Please help keep this list up to date by
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reporting new versions to 1:1/1. It is not our intent to list
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all utilities here, only those which verge on necessity.
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FidoNews 8-11 Page 15 18 Mar 1991
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NOTICES
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=================================================================
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The Interrupt Stack
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30 Mar 1991
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Jim Grubs (W8GRT) was issued his first ham radio license forty
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years ago today. His first station was made from an ARC-5
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"Command Set" removed from a B-17 bomber.
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12 May 1991
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Fourth anniversary of FidoNet operations in Latin America and
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second anniversary of the creation of Zone-4.
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15 Aug 1991
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5th annual Z1 Fido Convention - FidoCon '91 "A New Beginning"
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Sheraton Denver West August 15 through August 18 1991.
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8 Sep 1991
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25th anniversary of first airing of Star Trek on NBC!
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7 Oct 1991
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Area code 415 fragments. Alameda and Contra Costa Counties
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will begin using area code 510. This includes Oakland,
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Concord, Berkeley and Hayward. San Francisco, San Mateo,
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Marin, parts of Santa Clara County, and the San Francisco Bay
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Islands will retain area code 415.
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1 Feb 1992
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Area code 213 fragments. Western, coastal, southern and
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eastern portions of Los Angeles County will begin using area
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code 310. This includes Los Angeles International Airport,
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West Los Angeles, San Pedro and Whittier. Downtown Los
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Angeles and surrounding communities (such as Hollywood and
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Montebello) will retain area code 213.
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1 Dec 1993
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Tenth anniversary of Fido Version 1 release.
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5 Jun 1997
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David Dodell's 40th Birthday
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If you have something which you would like to see on this
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calendar, please send a message to FidoNet node 1:1/1.
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