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F I D O N E W S -- Vol.10 No.36 (06-Sep-1993)
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| A newsletter of the | |
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| FidoNet BBS community | Published by: |
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| / \ | "FidoNews" BBS |
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| /|oo \ | +1-519-570-4176 1:1/23 |
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| _`@/_ \ _ | Editors: |
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| | | \ \\ | Sylvia Maxwell 1:221/194 |
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| | (*) | \ )) | Donald Tees 1:221/192 |
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| |__U__| / \// | Tim Pozar 1:125/555 |
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| (jm) | Newspapers should have no friends. |
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| | -- JOSEPH PULITZER |
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| Submission address: editors 1:1/23 |
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| Internet addresses: |
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| Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com |
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| Both Don & Sylvia (submission address) |
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| editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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| obtaining copies and other boring but important details, |
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Table of Contents
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1. Editorial..................................................... 2
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2. Articles...................................................... 2
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Change Nodelist Archiver Rebuttal........................... 2
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Announcing a new echomail conference........................ 4
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Title: The Quest To Punish!................................ 6
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"Oops."..................................................... 10
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"New Backbone Policy Needs Work"............................ 11
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"More on ZIP as the new standard - ZIP for Atari"........... 12
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JUDGES IN THE FIDONET....................................... 13
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Letter...................................................... 14
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WILD WILLY AND THE FIDOZENS................................. 14
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Open letter to ZCs and the IC............................... 18
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Whatza EDoorSys Do?......................................... 20
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3. Fidonews Information.......................................... 21
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 2 06 Sep 1993
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Editorial
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Another week and another issue of the snooze hits the wires.
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As usual, here is hectic, with a couple of new installations
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having to be delivered and set up in a hurry. Why is it that
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we seem to starve for weeks and then get enough work to finance
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NASA the fifth week? And it always has to be done yesterday ...
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A personal request. Max and I are looking for an echo
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devoted to fine/fringe art to run on Ex_Libris. It would be
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nice if the echo covered Eastern Canada, but that is not a real
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requirement. We have tonnes of echos about literature and music,
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but we have been able to find little about the visual art scene.
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If there is something out there, please send us a personal note.
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On another issue, E-zines are germinating all over. Fidonet
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could be leading edge in e-zines, but information seems to be
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particularly spotty. If anybody considers themselves an expert
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on the subject, an article would be nice. It would also be nice
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to carry a list on what is available as a regular feature.
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The zip/arc/arj/lzh/??? argueing is doomed never to end?
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I suppose that is to be expected; technical progress always
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involves people disagreeing with the Established method.
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However, the one thing that has not appeared to date, and which
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I have been a bit curious about, is just how the internal MODEM
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compressions stand up. If we just let compressing modems do
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their thing, particularly with local calls, would the clock time
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from caller to caller, including all the packing and unpacking,
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be longer or shorter?
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packing up and onward...
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Articles
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Change Nodelist Archiver Rebuttal
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By David Johnson 1:244/117
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Quote from "Change Nodelist Archiver" by Rob Blackney
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"Considering the obvious, why are we spending money to move even just
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one file using this archaic archiver? My suggestion, in January pick
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the one that currently are compressing the most, in two years review
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and see if a change is necessary. We move these files 52 times a
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year using even LHA (this year) would save us 35k a week (or 1820k,
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over a meg using the above file). Mind you I received the Nodediff
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above in Version six form."
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My comments are as follows:
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The nodelist is available in Region 12 archived as the following:
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Pkzip by Phil Katz, and .ARC (ancient version of ARC used and not the
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current release from SEA).
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 3 06 Sep 1993
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The reasoning behind having the .ARC(old format) style is that there
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is a version available that runs on every Personal computer that I've
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seen that can both create and unpack this method of file compression.
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This in itself is the crux of the matter.
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.LZH is available on a majority of computer computers but LHA format
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is not, so that rules it out.
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.ZIP - an unzip package is available for every machine that I know
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of, but the corresponding .zip create requires more memory than is
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available on ALL machines.. Will both the Create and UnCreate run in
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64K is probably a reasonable criteria for determine whether or not a
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specific archiver will be used.
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.ARJ - there is the unarj source available but no corresponding
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create utility except for 808xx machines.
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So for maximum compatibility we are left with .ARC (old) nodelists
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having to be available if requested. The individual NC can request
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the Nodelist coming into his NET using PKZIP compression and if asked
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can convert it to the needed compression that any of his nodes may
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because of system requirements require.
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Now for his second arguement about breaking apart the nodelist:
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"Breaking the Nodelist into individual ZoneLists would have at least
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been less expensive to the world at large. Consider for a moment how
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small the individual nodediff files would be? How much shorter the
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download times would be? Its time to consider the future, consider
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the growth of the nodelist, consider the possibility of this
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happening again. This is just an opinion, not an expert solution to
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things. No, I'm not out to stir up trouble."
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In Region 12 one can get the following nodelists:
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R12-LIST (and correspondind R12-DIFF) that only contains nodes within
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R12 and the primary Fidonet Z1 sites..
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Z1-LIST (and corresponding Z1-DIFF) that contains only Zone 1 members.
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Within this net we used to have available a Net244list that was
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updated as frequently as needed. This was to allow a node that
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hadn't made it into the full nodelist or R12list to be able to be a
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viable member of Fidonet as soon as their application was processed.
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If all you really need is your Regions Nodelist then why even carry
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the full nodelist? Many sites could probably get away with just a
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NET specific Nodelist.
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So I don't see the authors point. The information is available all
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one has to do is ask.
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David
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 4 06 Sep 1993
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Announcing a new echomail conference...
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Carl Declerck 2:292/500.10
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" Death, when it comes, can be cruel and unfair to those
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who find joy and happiness in their short lives on this
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Earth. Yet that same death, to some, is the ultimate
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messenger of relief, the carrier into peaceful oblivion
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from which naught but an endless void returns.
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It is the latter that I eagerly await now, my whole
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being in a state that resembles only a faint, mocking
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parody of that what they call humankind. I have locked
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myself up in the library of the house. It has been my
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study, kitchen and sleeping-room for the past few weeks
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since the rest of the house has become increasingly more
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difficult to live in, especially at night...
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It all began when I started getting acquainted with the
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strange, wierd, yes sometimes maniacal writings of that
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sinister writer called H.P. Lovecraft. His stories,
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fitting all together to form a complete, devillish
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mythos about aeon-old cosmic beings of unnamable evil
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that once tried to conquer our planet but then banned to
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its inner regions and the infinitely far outer space,
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were mere fiction... I thought. In his works, Lovecraft
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also wrote about various books; secretly kept tomes of
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such evil content that would jeopardise our very
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universe if it were all brought to light. Although that
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same light itself would surely vanish into an abominable
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gulf of eternal darkness. Foolish as I then was, I set
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out in my search for these hidden tomes, and after
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months of whispering questions at various libraries
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around the world, I occasionally found myself glimpsing
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at such works as the abhorred Necronomicon by the mad
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arab Abdul Alhazred, the Unausspraechlichen Kulten by
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Von Junzt, the Cultes des Ghoules by the Comte d'Erlette
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and many more texts whose names I won't mention here for
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the sake of my own twisted sanity.
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When I returned home from my travels, I knew I had to
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take action to prevent the horrors contained within
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those obscure tomes from reaching any stage of reality.
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I then did what I now know is the act that made /them/
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start to come after me; I started a conference in the
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fidonet network, wholly dedicated to all the abysmal
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horrors I had come to know since I first set my eyes on
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those dreadful Lovecraftian writings. This open display
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of my so called 'interest' in the occult lore of the
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Mythos was soon to be rewarded by a series of
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inexplicable and particularly loathsome events here in
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the house, which I hadn't left since my return home.
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Some nights I could hear a faint chanting from below
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the house, a chanting which was in no tongue known to
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this world and which would suddenly turn into a horrific
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ululation, rising from a faint wailing to unmentionable
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bursts of acoustic blasphemy. After a while, these
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 5 06 Sep 1993
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ululations would die away and be followed by unearthly
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footfalls seeming to come up the staircase, accompanied
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by a strange sloshing, sucking noise. Each attempt to
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witness these phenomena by sight had caused them to
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cease instantaneously, leaving only a trail of black
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slime along the walls. Yet each night the slimy trails
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reached nearer the library-door and somehow I knew they
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would not go beyond it...
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It is half past midnight. The ululation is reaching its
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climax. It is hardly bearable, yet I have a feeling that
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this time /they/ will venture further than /they/ ever
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did before, so I keep on writing. A faint purple glow
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surrounds the house, the gas lamp sputters as if it's
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going to go out any moment now... I can hear the
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footfalls, tens, maybe hundreds of them, and the weird
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sloshing, sucking. It sounds like living flesh being
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torn apart and pushed together again. /They/ have
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reached the corridor to the library... I can hear them
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advancing... must be near the door now... the lamp won't
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last much longer... the knob moves... the door opens...
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MY GOD!!!... their aspect... curse them...
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THEY'RE coming for me... GOD!!! THAT HORROR!!... I.... "
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Thus ends the note found on Lorne Solbury's library desk
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at his house just outside Arkham, Massachusetts. Of him
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not a single trace could be found.
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Mr. Solbury's last contacts with the outside world had
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been through an electronic network called FidoNet, in
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which he had only recently started a public conference,
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called LOVECRAFTIAN, for the discussion of _anything_
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related to the late writer H.P. Lovecraft, the Cthulhu
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Mythos, and the Necronomicon. The current conference
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moderator told us that it is available from at least the
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following systems:
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2:25/52, 2:252/151, 2:253/157, 2:258/101,
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2:291/799, 2:292/500
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Mail-links into other zones/regions are still being
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looked for. If you can help or want more information on
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the conference, contact Carl Declerck at 2:292/500.10 or
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Nigel Hardy at 2:252/151.
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Carl Declerck, 2:292/500.10
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 6 06 Sep 1993
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Title: The Quest To Punish!
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<or> Who REALLY Wants Democracy?
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<or> Are You Annoyed, or Annoying?
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By Tim Winters 1:170/609
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I noticed in issue 1035 of the "Snooze" an article written
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by Mr Stanton McCandlish, at 1:301/2
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First let me say, no I am NOT related to the Steve Winter that
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Mr McCandlish mentioned in his article.
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(Notice no "s" on the end of his name.)
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Also, I'm sure some of you will recognise my name from some of the
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national sysop echos, and you know that I make no qualms about
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speaking my own mind in public, sometimes very aggressively.
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But disagreements are one thing. Going on a crusade to "punish"
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others is quite another.
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It seems that everybody is becomming "PC Crazy", not to
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mention the suggestion of making PCs for less than
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justifiable reasons.
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In his article, Mr McCandlish recommended that everybody
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who "felt" affected by recent events, file PCs against
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those whom he sees as the "badguys" in this issue.
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He even went on to present the complaints that he felt
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should be filed.
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He said they should all be based upon "extremely annoying behaviour".
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It seems that people keep forgetting that the other side of that P4
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rule (?), is that one should not be too easily annoyed.
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In many of the cases Mr McCandlish quoted, I too feel anger and
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frustration at what has been happening.
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But to carry things "too far" is just as annoying when done
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with what is felt to be "justifiable reason" as when it is
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done with unjustifiable reason.
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And "intentions" should be weighed, are they "good" ones?
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Many people have bad ones in their "Quest To Punish Others".
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Too many use the "excessively annoying" complaint, far too often
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and far too loosely, for me to believe that they themselves are
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not being too easily annoyed and/or are becomming the very same
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"power freaks" and "control freaks" that they are complaining against
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in the first place. (I do not refer to Mr McCandlish here, and give
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his intentions the benefit of the doubt at this point as being
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"good intentions". Nor am I referring to any one specific person.
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Normally at this point I would simply say "You know who you are",
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but I'm truly afraid that many actually do NOT know who they are!)
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While I understand the frustration caused by many of the recent
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events, at the same time too many people are letting this
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frustration mutate them into the very same monsters that they
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 7 06 Sep 1993
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claim to abhore to begin with.
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On that note, I would like to comment upon these two aspects,
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IE the "quest to punish others" that seems to be rampant lately,
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and also the too loosely used jusitification of "Excessively
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Annoying Behaviour" as an excuse to file a PC against someone.
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If I repeat myself here and there, please have the courtesy
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to overlook it, as I sometimes am a bit repetitive.
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But some things do bear repeating.
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First, the dispicable "Quest To Punish Others".......
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Seems people are losing sight of things around FidoNet lately.
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People keep bringing up their "personal VENDETTAS" into the
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recent disturbing events scattered about Zone 1 lately.
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Anybody can file a PC, right or wrong, like ANYBODY can do.
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Its up to the NC/RC/ZCs to rule upon a PC.
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Its the ruling(s) that count, not who made the PC.
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And the thing about our ambiguous P4 document is, that it
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can be interpreted in more than one way, by more than one person.
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The only solution that may be close at hand is to ELECT people
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into those positions that you TRUST to interpret P4 in the
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way you most see fit!
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Many *Cs are just interpreting policy in the best way they see fit,
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and truly do have the "best intentions" at heart, even if their
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interpretation of P4 does happen to be disagreed with by many others.
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Other *Cs truly do have "bad intentions" and are themselves on
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their own "Quest to Punish", however I do not believe that to be
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the case in *all* of the instances that Mr McCandlish brought up
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in his article.
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Lacking bottom-up elections requirements being a part of P4,
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the current best part about policy, is the appeals process.
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Next, lets shoot for bottom-up democracy, ay?
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Personal vendettas are a waste of time.
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Anybody can file PCs day after day, as many do.
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(I'm proud to say, that I *NEVER* have filed even one PC
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in the nearly three years I've been nodelisted.)
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A node is not responsible for how his PC was ruled upon
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by the *C who reviewed it.
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A node *IS* annoying *IF* they continue to file PCs,
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after a *C has ruled that there were no grounds for making
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the original PC, unless of course they are still climbing the
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"appeals ladder" for the original PC made.
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Comon folks. This is just a hobby. Really, it is.
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This is not a "PUNISH WHOMEVER I CAN, WHERE EVER I CAN, WHEN I
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DISAGREE WITH SOMEONE" club. Some people are *BECOMMING* the
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SAME as the ones they've been yelling against by doing so!
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IE, "unfair control/power freaks"!
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 8 06 Sep 1993
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Lets get bottom-up democracy into policy, and then everybody has
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a realistic recourse in future elections.
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In the meantime, lets all try to practice what we preach against
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others, IE "TOLERANCE". It is a hobby. Lets quit being so damn
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serious that disagreements continually mutate into
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"quests to punish excessively".
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Lets all get real, and lighten up some.
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Fairness and tolerance (for ALL) should be the keyphrase.
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Things are starting to change for the better, (in some aspects).
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Lets all become a part of that change, instead of BECOMMING the
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"punishers" and "control freaks" that everyone has been yelling
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about. There is NO ROOM for personal "vendettas" in a "Fair FidoNet".
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It does the hobby, and the people in it, not one bit of good if the
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"Control Freaks" and "punishers" are simply replaced by another group
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doing the exact same crap all over again, but only the names have
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changed.
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I am against giving power to *anybody* who would be
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EXCESSIVE in their personal "QUESTS TO PUNISH/CONTROL" others.
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There is *no* justification for "rubbing someone's face"
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in their mistakes. How about just making sure it doesn't happen
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again?
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And now my comments on using "Excessively Annoying Behaviour"
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as an excuse for filing frivilous PCs...................
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Anybody in the nodelist can file a PC. <groan>
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And anybody can "claim" to be annoyed.
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However, there is the rule of "DO NOT BE EASILY ANNOYED" that one
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must first contend with, and also, being annoying is not
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automatically EXCESSIVE!
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A PC is made up of steps, according to P4.
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1. Contact the node/person directly, and attempt to work it out.
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2. File the PC.
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If one skips step 1, then they have no PC.
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If the person is willing to "work it out", or agrees to NOT repeat
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the action that is being complained about, then one has no PC.
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(Unless they actually do repeat the action afterwards anyway.)
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If the person refuses to cooperate, and/or does not agree that they
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have done anything wrong, and tells you they will repeat the
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performance again, then you can file a PC.
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This brings us to step 2.
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Anyone can take this step, if step one was used first, and if they
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 9 06 Sep 1993
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"believe" that policy has been broken.
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In other words, it must say somewhere in P4, that it is against
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policy to do what you believe this person has done.
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(At least, that must be your honest interpretation of P4).
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And there you have it.
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However, if one wishes to file a PC based simply and solely upon
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"Excessively Annoying Behaviour", one must keep the following things
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in mind.
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1. It is also a rule that one is not to be too easily annoyed.
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2. Number one tells me, that unless P4 defines a certain action as
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being "annoying" but one files a PC anyway, then they are being
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too easily annoyed and can have a PC filed against *them*.
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3. If P4 defines an action as being "annoying", so be it.
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But "annoying" is not enough.
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A PC must be based on "EXCESSIVELY" annoying,
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IE *repeated* occurances of the P4-defined annoying behaviour.
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Please everybody, LIGHTEN UP.
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IE, the "quest to punish" has gotten out of hand.
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Disagreements are one thing, and people need to learn to live
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with them and tolerate everybodys inalienable right to disagree!
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But striving to "PUNISH OTHERS THAT DISAGREE" is VERY annoying!!!
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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This is where the "do not be easily annoyed" rule comes into effect.
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Yes, this includes every single listing in the nodelist. Every one.
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Its only a hobby. Please EVERYBODY LIGHTEN UP, and shoot for
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bottom-up democracy, NOT "Quests to Punish Others".
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If your quest is to punish others, then *YOU* have now become the
|
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control-freak and the power-freak, and it will be *YOUR* turn
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to be "dealt with" on the next round!
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P.S. Even though it should NOT make any difference whatsoever,
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before replying with hate mail, be aware that I was against
|
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the original "Bodger vs Garcia" ruling from the very start.
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But that should not change a thing in the above article.
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The moral of this story, and it bears repeating, and it bears
|
|
repeating, and it bears repeating, is....
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Its only a hobby. EVERYBODY LIGHTEN UP and tolerate differences!
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Its only a hobby. EVERYBODY LIGHTEN UP and file that PC in the trash!
|
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Its only a hobby. EVERYBODY LIGHTEN UP and work for democracy!
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Its only a hobby. Kindly send any flames in the form of a rebuttal
|
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article to FidoNews, and keep them the hell outa' my Netmail Folder!
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:-)
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Or do you want to punish me for having my own opinion too?
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 10 06 Sep 1993
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Wake up. :-) (This is supposed to be fun!)
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"Oops."
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Stanton McCandlish, 1:301/2
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OK, OK, enough already.
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This is a partial retraction of my previous article ("Tired of people
|
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misusing Policy? Use it yourself!", FIDO1035.NWS).
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I have nothing against any of the people I suggested example PCs
|
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against.
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|
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I realize that the examples were full of misinformation, since they
|
|
were all culled from nothing but angry gripes in FNews. They were
|
|
only ONE side of the story. This was intentional. Though I agree
|
|
with SOME of the ideas, a careful reading will show you that many of
|
|
the "charges" are contradictory doublethink. I was simply reflecting
|
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FNews articles back to the people who wrote them. Many have
|
|
misinterpreted that article to mean "These are the facts". * In many
|
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cases they are not. *
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The point was not that this is my opinion of their behaviour (you
|
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will note that my opinion was clearly expressed, that the people
|
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enumerated in the article were making mistakes; well, whoop-dee-doo),
|
|
but rather that people, IF this is how they feel, should DO something
|
|
about it, instead of just whining in FidoNews. If you feel policy
|
|
has been violated, and that J. Random *C is the Child of Satan (R),
|
|
test your opinion in FidoNet "court". If you are right, something
|
|
might change. If you are wrong, well... But doing nothing but
|
|
posting in FNews will not solve anything.
|
|
|
|
Since that article I've had some reasonable, and quite interesting,
|
|
discussions with both Christopher Baker and Ron Dwight, and to them I
|
|
apologize for making their "jobs" more difficult, if that is the
|
|
result. As for the others, I tend to agree with the example
|
|
"charges": FidoNet is NOT the Shareware Registration Enforcement Net.
|
|
It has nothing to do with supporting piracy or not, it's simply a
|
|
matter of misusing one's "power" over the nodelist to force people to
|
|
do what you want them to do, with no basis in Policy. But, since I
|
|
was not directly affected by this stuff, I won't be filing a PC about
|
|
it. That's up to Jason Garcia.
|
|
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|
And I stand by much of what's been said concerning Mr. Winter, who in
|
|
the opinion of many, and me in particular, is genuinely insulting and
|
|
annoying to a large number of people.
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|
Hope this clarifies the situation some.
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|
FidoNews 10-36 Page: 11 06 Sep 1993
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"New Backbone Policy Needs Work"
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Stanton McCandlish, 1:301/2
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I'll keep this short, since my virtual face has been gracing these
|
|
electronic pages quite a bit lately.
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|
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It's good to see that a new backbone policy is being worked on.
|
|
However, in my opinion it still needs work.
|
|
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|
In various sections, the longstanding, and worse than worthless, Fido
|
|
practice of appointing this person and appointing that person, is
|
|
perpetuated. I mean, really. Do we need this? I think a democratic
|
|
system will work just fine.
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|
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|
In section 3.4, subsection c., no allowance is made for the echo's
|
|
own rules determining a new moderator. It just says the ZEC can
|
|
"cause" one to be appointed, whatever that means.
|
|
|
|
Section 4.3, subsection a.: This appears to be in direct
|
|
contradiction to P4, which allows any node to get mail from anywhere
|
|
they please. I have yet to see anything in P4 that requires one to
|
|
participate in a CRP, if mail can be had elsewhere at less expense.
|
|
This subsection strikes me as singularly totalitarian. Subsections
|
|
b. & c. give a wee bit too much power to ?ECs. Up until now, these
|
|
positions have been more or less powerless. And <gasp> they actually
|
|
do something useful. As soon as ?ECs are given the power to yea or
|
|
nay people's echomail feeds, their usefulness will come to an end,
|
|
and the arguments and fights will simply double. Not just problems
|
|
with ?C's, but now ?ECs as well. Just great. Subsection d. would
|
|
also appear to be counter to P4, since it again tries to directly
|
|
restrict where people get their mail from and what they do with it.
|
|
In my opinion, the entirely of Section 4.3 should be replaced with
|
|
the following:
|
|
|
|
"4.3 Cross-Net/Region feeds
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|
|
|
[1st paragraph from the original is fine, and should be included here]
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A node or a net is expected to obtain any desired Backbone echomail
|
|
feed from the appropriate NHub or RHub respectively. Cross-Net or
|
|
cross-regional feeds are discouraged. However, any node or Net may
|
|
obtain such a feed, with the proviso that it is their responsibility,
|
|
and that of the feeding system, to ensure that no circular
|
|
feeds/duplicate mail loops result."
|
|
|
|
Much simpler, and really, "unrecorded sub-feeds" are not even an
|
|
issue, unless one is attempting to FORCE people to participate in
|
|
CRPs, which is clearly a policy violation.
|
|
|
|
Section 5.1 states, despite any disclaimers to the contrary, will
|
|
have the result of DIScouraging inter-network mail, since it attempts
|
|
to force any other net to play by the rules of Fido. Enumerating a
|
|
few SPECIFIC rules that must be followed (i.e. technical
|
|
specifications) would be sufficient. But no one can reasonably expect
|
|
FidoNews 10-36 Page: 12 06 Sep 1993
|
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|
|
other networks to simply scrap their policies on moderation, etc,
|
|
simply because someone somewhere wants to gate the mail to Fido.
|
|
It's just not going to happen.
|
|
|
|
5.2 just needs to be scrapped. Period. This anti-encryption stance
|
|
is going to leave FidoNet a dinosaur if it continues.
|
|
|
|
In section 3.1: "There is no attempt in this document to determine
|
|
the distribution arrangements within individual nets." Nice
|
|
hand-wave, but it is not a factual statement.
|
|
|
|
Section 3.4 "recognizes that a moderator has complete authority."
|
|
Wow, that's just dandy. Now, any attempt to establish moderator
|
|
guidelines will founder, if this policy goes into effect. Better to
|
|
leave it open: "recognizes that a moderator has complete
|
|
authority...except as restricted in any future moderation policy or
|
|
guideline document(s)."
|
|
|
|
Section 4.5 is perhaps the worst of the document. All that needs to
|
|
be said is "Provided the participants can ensure that circular feeds
|
|
which produce duplicate messages will not result, any new technology
|
|
may be utilized in the distribution of mail." The flaw with this
|
|
section as it stands is that it WILL hamper progress, again despite
|
|
any disclaimer to the contrary. When policy makes it the
|
|
responsibility of a *C to "ensure that unforseen distribution methods
|
|
are adequately examined", you can bet that this will slow things to a
|
|
crawl. Its funny, but people keep trying to tell me that FidoNet is
|
|
not heirarchical and is an anarchy. What hogwash. At any rate,
|
|
responsibility for examination of a new technology for its
|
|
suitability in mail distribtion should lie with those implementing
|
|
it, not with a *C, who would end up having to "adequately examine" a
|
|
large number of systems, none of which are conveniently located on
|
|
their own property.
|
|
|
|
Also, much of the language of the proposed policy is sexist. I'd
|
|
recommend replacing "he" with "they"; they has been used regularly in
|
|
spoken English as a neuter 3rd person singular pronoun for well over
|
|
a century, and it is beginning to be acceptable to do so in written
|
|
English as well, provided context makes it clear that it's singular.
|
|
For an example, see the last sentence of the previous paragraph.
|
|
Sorry to sound "PC", but lack of gender-neutrality really does annoy
|
|
a lot of people.
|
|
|
|
Besides these faults, it looks pretty good to me. Just one man's
|
|
opinion.
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|
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|
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|
|
"More on ZIP as the new standard - ZIP for Atari"
|
|
Stanton McCandlish 1:301/2
|
|
|
|
I've been informed that a PKZip2.04g-compatible archiver IS available
|
|
for the Atari (ST/TT, Falcon, 16-bit). This file was passed on to me
|
|
by Bill Jones, 1:231/370. It's a self-extracting archive,
|
|
STZIP23.TOS, and is FREQable under that file name from 1:301/2, by
|
|
FidoNews 10-36 Page: 13 06 Sep 1993
|
|
|
|
ANY system. It can also be downloaded from the ATARI file area on
|
|
the BBS, Noise in the Void, +1-505- 246-8515. You can also FREQ
|
|
magicname ZIPS to get a list of all the ZIP- format [un]archivers I
|
|
have available, for all platforms. Currently, this consists of the
|
|
list I posted in FIDO1035.NWS, with STZIP23.TOS added.
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|
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|
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|
|
JUDGES IN THE FIDONET
|
|
By: Jason Robertson
|
|
|
|
In recent issues of the Fidonews, an issue about fairness within
|
|
echoes has appeared and ideas have been brought up. One such idea
|
|
that perked my attention was that of a Person to act as a Judge, one
|
|
who could make an impartial judgement on the situation at hand.
|
|
|
|
The basis of this proposal is well-formed, if it works in
|
|
reality, then it should work in Cyberspace. This idea has rattled
|
|
around here in T.O. The following ideas have come out from this
|
|
process.
|
|
|
|
The first idea to come out is how do you communicate to either
|
|
source, secretly, with both knowledge of the others precise words.
|
|
The only idea is on the officiating system to create an echo for both
|
|
to access. With this you could set-up many echoes to use for many
|
|
different problems. This point is based on A - B are in JUDGE1 C - D
|
|
are in JUDGE2 and so on.
|
|
|
|
The next thing in the trip of a human's psyche, is the method of
|
|
feeds, say user A has no feed as user B, has had it cut, user A, will
|
|
get a feed with only the echo that he is presently in, which in this
|
|
case is JUDGE1. This method also gives the chance, for the Accused
|
|
or the Accuser to request a Jury type of System. In which they could
|
|
also get a feed to an area like: JURY1 JURY2 and so on. The second
|
|
addition will then give the chance for a judgement that is not
|
|
prejudiced as much. The JURY echo would only be opened for the
|
|
Jurists when the preceding have closed.
|
|
|
|
Other things that may be for judgement, by a external Judge is
|
|
that of problem areas like that, which recently happened in Net250.
|
|
Which an election was cancelled and re-done, because of a judgement
|
|
call, by the officiating members. The only problem with this is that
|
|
a Judgement, in this type of case would be hard with out facts. So
|
|
in a case like this, the set- up would also include an area, for
|
|
Questions and Answers of certain users. This Q&A period would be
|
|
carried out in an echo called WITNESS1 WITNESS2 and so on. Each of
|
|
the participants in the dispute would request of the Judge users from
|
|
the case, via Netmail, and the message would be passed on to the
|
|
opponent, then a separate message would be created and sent to the
|
|
Witness, giving him the echo name, and other things to reply to.
|
|
|
|
If this idea was allowed to expand and flourish, the Fidonet
|
|
would become a peaceful society, of humankind, from all walks of
|
|
life, that would respect each other. This will decrease the
|
|
Moderators influence on peoples beliefs, though, speech, and freedom.
|
|
FidoNews 10-36 Page: 14 06 Sep 1993
|
|
|
|
The Fidonet, has welcomed me, but it has also become an area, with a
|
|
lack of thought, only following what they are told to say, by the
|
|
moderators. Even in areas that are prone to these types of messages,
|
|
or even the Moderator who is just having a bad day.
|
|
|
|
If anyone has any ideas, information, thoughts, flames, or
|
|
anything, please send a Netmail message to me @ 1:250/802.
|
|
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|
----------------------------------------------------------------------
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|
|
|
Letter
|
|
From: Michael Muellenmeister
|
|
To: Editors
|
|
|
|
Well i was trying to call 1:221/194 but i keep getting this board so
|
|
i assume that its related. I run a small board in Memphis Tennesse
|
|
and i have recently been hooked up to fidonet. While reading through
|
|
the National For Sale Echo i came upon an add and sent some Money To
|
|
HANK SHAMUS for a computer. Unfortunately he skipped town and hasn't
|
|
sent my computer. I wish to ask a favor if you'd post an ad in the
|
|
Fido News that if any one sees this man on any boards to call Michael
|
|
Muellenmeister at 901-377-5964 i would really appreciate it. Thanks
|
|
|
|
/\/\ichael
|
|
/\/\uellenmeister
|
|
|
|
Editor's note: 1:221/192 and 1:221/194 are different nodes of the
|
|
same board. They exist so that both Max and Don are in the nodelist.
|
|
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|
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|
|
WILD WILLY AND THE FIDOZENS.
|
|
By J.K.A. Singh @ Fidonet 2:292/859
|
|
|
|
Once Upon a Time in The West, Wild Willy and his buddies,
|
|
each according to their wealth and status, rode on their horses,
|
|
ponies, mules or asses into the wildest west in search of that
|
|
heavy metal that blinded every man with its glitter - so blind that
|
|
brother didn't see brother, nor father the son, nor the son the
|
|
father. They saw only Wild Willy and what he held in his hands.
|
|
They did only the things Wild Willy said they could do. All with
|
|
the hope of getting a pinch of gold dust that Wild Willy would
|
|
give them if they did what they were told to do. In the eyes of
|
|
gold all men are not equal. But, in the eyes of men all gold is
|
|
equal.
|
|
|
|
"Gold! Gold! Gold! Man will do anything for gold," sang that
|
|
famous singer El Filiciano who was void of sight. If a sightless
|
|
man should preach that, what about the rest who have the eyes to
|
|
see what gold really is and what it can do to men and women.
|
|
Man is for sale. Woman is for sale. And everything is for sale. If
|
|
you don't believe it, just look around and see how bitterly
|
|
husbands and wives, who once dearly loved each other, fight
|
|
when it comes to gold, marriage and divorce. Even children are
|
|
put up for sale - alas, sometimes to their own fathers - the more
|
|
FidoNews 10-36 Page: 15 06 Sep 1993
|
|
|
|
they pay the woman the more he can see his own children. No
|
|
wonder, some wise man once said, speaking on behalf of God
|
|
Almighty: With fire do we test gold. And, with gold do we test
|
|
man. Of course, in today's highly developed society the word
|
|
"man" usually includes women also.
|
|
|
|
The power of gold is immense. So immense that to many God
|
|
comes next to gold. With gold you can convert anything to
|
|
anything else - a heathen into a believer and a believer into a
|
|
heathen, an enemy into a friend and a friend into an enemy. And
|
|
above all, hunger into satisfaction, cold into warmth, heat into
|
|
coolness, austerity into opulence and so on and on - depending
|
|
upon one's definition of home - food, shelter and clothing. In the
|
|
evolution of its importance, gold replaced currencies like "You fix
|
|
my window, I will graze your live stock. So, there wasn't enough
|
|
gold in the world for everyone survive in peace and harmony. To
|
|
circumvent that law of nature, someone invented that famous
|
|
I.O.U. documents though which Kings and plebes with power and
|
|
without exchanged goods, services and favours against its tender,
|
|
often with the full knowledge that the document was not fully
|
|
redeemable. Some even relieved you of the burden of carrying the
|
|
heavy metal (density 19.1 gms/cc). So game the gold certificates
|
|
that became legal tender and so came the banks into existence
|
|
and so came the Kings who wrote gold certificates even when the
|
|
treasury was empty. Now, most of the world turned into republics
|
|
or constitutional monarchies, and elected or self appointed
|
|
governments continue to indulge into this game and what they
|
|
print in lieu of gold certificates has come to be called money. In
|
|
the least, this indulgence has given rise to some of the most
|
|
attractive piece of intricate miniature art of its own without
|
|
diminishing the opulent designs on postage stamps.
|
|
|
|
Money or gold, it is all the same. There is nothing in this world
|
|
that is more readily convertible to just about anything else. Money
|
|
and Gold are but the two faces of the same coin although they
|
|
each compete for a great value and contribute to inflation in their
|
|
own ways and change the destiny of many nations and many
|
|
people very much against their will.
|
|
|
|
Today, the Wild Willy has multiplied himself into many more.
|
|
Horses, ponies, mules and asses have been replaced by executive
|
|
private jets and long black limousines. Wild Willy has shed off
|
|
his crude dust worn clothing and is neatly draped in a haute
|
|
couture hand tailored silk suit. He is clean shaven and his face is
|
|
framed within a haute coiffure school boy cut even when he
|
|
crossed the middle age and looking down the pipe at his
|
|
retirement. He has even learned how to smile and when and at
|
|
who.
|
|
|
|
Coming to think of it, I sometimes wonder, if there isn't a bit of
|
|
the Wild Willy in each of us - except that we all know how to
|
|
curb his impulses, and that to most of us the importance of gold
|
|
comes after God, The King, The Family, etc. and our need for
|
|
gold is just to be able to serve this modern day trinity (with a
|
|
small "t") and none of us would sell that for anything. Otherwise,
|
|
FidoNews 10-36 Page: 16 06 Sep 1993
|
|
|
|
it would be like selling your car to buy a few tyres and then all
|
|
you have is tyres and tyres and no car.
|
|
|
|
Now, let us take a look at more conspicuous things of our daily
|
|
lives. We all have much more things in common than you could
|
|
imagine. We all rise up from our beds, some early and some late.
|
|
But, we all do brush our teeth, wash our faces, and take, if not a
|
|
bath, at least take a shower - at least I do and hope that others do
|
|
too. We go to work and return home after work, although in some
|
|
cases, via a favourite pub or depending upon other things, in and
|
|
out of somebody else's door. We all eat, watch TV and eat and
|
|
then go bed hoping the next day would be better than the day that
|
|
has just gone by.
|
|
|
|
However, we all seem to habitually overlook the most obvious.
|
|
Otherwise we would all be Sherlock Holmes or that legendary
|
|
Belgian Hercules Poirot who is credited with putting his country
|
|
on the world map - or was it actually his friend, Miss Marple
|
|
disguised as Agatha Christie.
|
|
|
|
However, coming to that most obvious common thing that we all
|
|
seem to overlook - the recently discovered continent - a new
|
|
world, a household talk in the community of the sysops world-
|
|
wide - you have guessed it! Fidoland.
|
|
|
|
If you study the history of the North American Continent
|
|
immediately following its discovery by Columbus and Vespucci
|
|
in the late 16th century and compare it to that of our newly found
|
|
continent, Fidoland, you would be amazed at some of the
|
|
similarities.
|
|
|
|
The North American continent was discovered in 1592. Since
|
|
then, almost every other European monarchy that had a naval
|
|
force, even a one boat fleet, made a rush to the new world and
|
|
occupied what land they could. In the new continent, they fought
|
|
against each other for nearly 160 years - I even believe that if the
|
|
Russians and the Prussians had gone there, the very need for the
|
|
two World Wars would have become non-existence. Those wars
|
|
went on until one day some people gathered together and said
|
|
enough is enough and had that historic Boston Tea Party where,
|
|
ironically enough, not a single cup of tea was consumed, but
|
|
shiploads of tea leaves arriving from Britain were lavishly thrown
|
|
into the sea until the while cargo had exhausted - actually, if cods
|
|
and turtles could write their history that event would be rightfully
|
|
recorded as their TEA PARTY, not as that of the rebels. "This is
|
|
OUR COUNTRY and WE WILL FIGHT FOR IT," proclaimed the rebels at
|
|
the end of the party lasting, perhaps, some days. They all agreed
|
|
to fight under the leadership of one man called George Washington.
|
|
So came the War of American Independence (1775-81) with the victory
|
|
over Cornwallis in Yorktown. Funnily enough, for a long time after
|
|
that the British used to call that army as rebels and today they are
|
|
buddy-buddy allies in just about everything from wanting the ouster
|
|
of Saddam Hussein to torpedoing CIS-EEC relations to Maastricht Treaty.
|
|
|
|
A Cure to "Pulloplug" Syndrome Finally in Sight
|
|
FidoNews 10-36 Page: 17 06 Sep 1993
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Since its discovery er ..... its inception in 1984, the politics of
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this large continent Fidoland has seen the same kind of wars and
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has gone through some of the same pains of growth. One marked
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difference is that in the case of America the stakes were gold,
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glory and freedom whereas in the Fidoland they are echomail,
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files and glory. What we are going through in this history is that
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we have defeated several Wild Willies and we are approaching
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Yorktown to deal the final blow to the Greatest of the Great
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Willies of all. Mind you, this Willy is not embedded in just a
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person. It is the state of being, rather than a person. It used to be
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manifested in the now dying philosophy of "You bring me my
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mail and files" on one side and "Okay, I will, so long as you do
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what I ask you to do." That was the most devilish spirit to
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operate any healthy organisation, especially, when our May Fair
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passengers coined that memorable phrase - "............... or I will
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pull the plug." When cost sharing has become everyone's
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interest, isn't that a serious defeat to this notorious Wild Willy?
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When we have developed a workable way we will have won our
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historic battle of Yorktown.
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From Yorktown in 1781, the march to final democracy took seven
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more years to Philadelphia where they wrote the great
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Constitution, in 1787, guaranteeing the freedom of all its peoples.
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Our Yorktown is in sight and we know that the enemy is weaker
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after several losses. We know that we have the strength and the
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will - and above all, the Wild Willy knows that the end of his
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reign is fast approaching.
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George Washington and his men were only speculating on their
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victory of Yorktown. So, as of 1781, they did not have any
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concrete plans to write a constitution. But, today, we want our
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Yorktown - and we know it would most definitely be ours. So we
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can already start thinking of Philadelphia or even make one
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master plan to cover both - Yorktown and Philadelphia, or in
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more direct terms: COST SHARING - and its management.
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Our pennies are our soldiers and they need to be organised and
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put under one efficient commander-in-chief. We need to identify
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our George Washington, be it one person or a body of elected
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volunteers.
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We also need, hardware, technical expertise, time and man power
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to make things operational and maintain things that way. We
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need managerial skills that will coordinate everything from fast
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procurement of echomail and files down to its distribution.
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A well managed, centralised, democratically managed system is
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indeed ideal to any establishment that aspires to accomplish its
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goal. In the first place, the citizenry of Fidoland have come to
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want it even if costs them their dear pennies. Gee ... That is an
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example of real Mailiatrism ... or Fileotrism and long live our
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Fidocracy and the land of echomail, files and glory - and of
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course, of Hope.
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 18 06 Sep 1993
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When it concerns money, we all wish to get what we paid for.
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Even when you make a donation you expect something in return -
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at least that your money was spent on what YOU wanted it to be
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spent on, cancer research, ecological education, etc.
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In our case also there is MONEY that would flow out of our
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pockets and to balance that something must flow in. Remember
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that when we pay, we are going to pay in advance, not because we
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are not to be trusted. But, simply because that there is no one
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person who has such enormous resources to spare for something
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that is a pastime, a hobby and a pleasure that comes next to
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various other things. So we have to put our money somewhere,
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perhaps a blocked bank account from where the money would be
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released under definite conditions before a certain date failing
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which the fund will be returned to the depositors.
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None of us need to pay any penny without a guarantee that our
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Netmail, our Echomail and the files that we desired files will be
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delivered to us in return. That is what I compare to Philadelphia
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1787 - A CONSTITUTION that guarantees you rights to the
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material and services you pay for. In our case, it cannot be called
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a constitution - statutes would be a more appropriate word.
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Statutes is to an organisation what constitution would be to a
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country. But, essentially the two documents are identical in spirit
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so far as they are written and legalised to protect definite rights of
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the individuals.
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When we will have crossed our Philadelphia, we would all be
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holding documents that would specify a kind of a contractual
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bindings between the users and the organisers. Within each zone,
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region and net, Fidonet is composed of a different powerful
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splinter groups, often with international links. Some of them are
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registered organisations and therefore are legal entities with
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definite obligations to their members. So, at every level, zonal, a
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regional or net, Sysops and Points have a choice either to use an
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existing organisation by making appropriate changes to its
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statutes or even found a new organisation entirely based upon a
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totally new constitution ... er statutes, that incorporate the Fidonet
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Policies as its statutes.
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If you are all interested, we can start doing our home work right
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from now and bring out what YOU want on this historic
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document and WHO you wish to be in charge of YOUR money
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and YOUR E-Mail. I propose that we elect a governing body of
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nine members who would initially manage the task of mobilising
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the COST SHARING project. I will write about it separately. But,
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in the meantime, please give some thought to what you have just
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read and bring forward you ideas to your net, region and zone as
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to we can realise this dream.
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Open letter to ZCs and the IC
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by JoHo, 2:270/17@fidonet
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 19 06 Sep 1993
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Open letter to 1:1/0, 2:2/0, 3:3/0, 4:4/0, 5:5/0, 6:6/0, and the IC.
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"Morality's not practical. Morality's a gesture. A complicated
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gesture learned from books."
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-- Robert Bolt
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Gents, what exactly is going on here? I have received forwarded
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messages that were written by Bob Satti (or appear to have been
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since we don't have any widely used message authentication
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mechanism yet :-) and been part of CC lists of messages written by
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various NCs and RCs in Zone 1 and Zone 2.
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Those from Zone 1 mostly indicate that illegal use of software is
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not illegal unless proven by a US court of law. Those from Zone 2
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mostly indicate that it is unacceptable that a node hold an entry
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in the FidoNet nodelist if it is known that he/she distributes,
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uses, or promotes the use of illegal software. I have not yet heard
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from Z3, Z4, Z5, or the Z6 ZCs regarding this matter. Nor have I
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heard anything from the IC.
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I am not whining or complaining about something that only affects
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me. Nor am I talking about what I think of various situations where
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nodes have or have not been excommunicated for (what I would
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consider) illegal use of software. This is not a matter of losing
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sales or money. I know that many people have the opinion that I have
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interests in many camps and from time to time get my wires crossed.
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What IS illegal use of software. What IS promoting the use of
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illegal or pirated software? What software is capable of falling
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into this category?
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I've heard things like "No, using a hacked copy of 'YowsaBBS' is not
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illegal because it is not FidoNet software." But what if 'YowsaBBS'
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has FidoNet NetMail or EchoMail capabilities, or allows the users to
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access the FidoNet nodelist, does that make it FidoNet software?
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I have never asked the NCs, RCs, or ZCs to act as the police or
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watchdogs on my behalf. It is obvious that this is not the function
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of any FidoNet official. But if a complaint is made about a person
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running hacked software - FrontDoor for example - I think it IS the
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business of FidoNet officials to uphold these complaints.
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It is stated over and over again that FidoNet is an amateur network.
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In which case, what does the US (or any nation's) justice system
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have to do with an amateur network? A copyright is a copyright. It
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is not a grey area of definitions that can be judged or interpreted
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by means of personal opinions, or is it?
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If a company is making excessive use of FidoNet, that company
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usually gets a warning from a *C that this is not acceptable in an
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attempt to maintain the integrity of the "amateur network". What is
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the difference between that, and receiving a complaint that such and
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such node or person may not use a certain piece of software because
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 20 06 Sep 1993
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the software may only be used by private persons participating in an
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amateur network; and that such and such node does not qualify as a
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private person?
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If software "SuperMailer" exist in several forms of which one is
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clearly commercial and has a valid copyright; at the same time
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"SuperMailer" exists in a noncommercial, freeware, and/or shareware
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version. Why is it not considered illegal to run a hacked or patched
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copy of "SuperMailer"?
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If a system starts to distribute a mailer without an agreement with
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the author(s), and charges money for the distribution (more than to
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recover the cost of the distribution, i.e. a profit is being made),
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is that not considered illegal by FidoNet policy until it has been
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proved in a court of law?
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Then why do we have that clause in the FidoNet policy? And if it is
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to remain, why doesn't it state that this clause has no effect
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unless the case has been proven in a court of law?
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If I pick the lock to your front door, enter your house, steal a few
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minor, just minor, things; and nobody sees me, is that not illegal?
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Yes it is. I don't even have to steal anything for it to be
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considered unlawful entry.
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I'm sure I'm out of line, have used all the wrong examples, gotten
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the picture wrong, and everything else that can be said about this
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message.. so, with all due respect, GMAFB.
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%JoHo%
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joho@abs.lu
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Whatza EDoorSys Do?
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By Eddie Rowe, Fidonet 1:380/14
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You've just downloaded this incredible "MUST HAVE" door for your
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BBS users...Uh Oh, it wants some file called DOOR.SYS in order to
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work. You scurry to your documentation (softcopy if you're lucky)
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and search high and low for info on DOOR.SYS. Alas, your BBS can
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only create a file called DORINFOx.DEF. 8-(
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What to do, what to do...
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Introducing EDoorSys -- a DORINFOx.DEF -> DOOR.SYS converter! EDoorSys
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v1.00 is written for the DOS platform and obviously can be used with
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the outstanding OS/2 operating system in a DOS session. EDoorSys is
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written primarily for RBBS-PC sysops (which just happens to use the
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DORINFOx.DEF file), but is NOT specific to RBBS-PC -- it is specific
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to the standard DORINFOx.DEF file.
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EDoorSys has been released into the SDSRBBS file distribution system
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as EDORSYS1.LZH (10k), and may also be file requested from my system
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using a "magic name" of EDOORSYS.
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 21 06 Sep 1993
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Fidonews Information
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION ----------------
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Editors: Sylvia Maxwell, Donald Tees, Tim Pozar
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Editors Emeritii: Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell, Vince Perriello,
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Tom Jennings
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IMPORTANT NOTE: The FidoNet address of the FidoNews BBS has been
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changed!!! Please make a note of this.
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"FidoNews" BBS
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FidoNet 1:1/23
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BBS +1-519-570-4176, 300/1200/2400/14400/V.32bis/HST(DS)
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Internet addresses:
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Don & Sylvia (submission address)
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editor@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
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Sylvia -- max@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
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Donald -- donald@exlibris.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca
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Tim -- pozar@kumr.lns.com
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(Postal Service mailing address) (have extreme patience)
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FidoNews
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Published weekly by and for the members of the FidoNet international
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FidoNews 10-36 Page: 22 06 Sep 1993
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FidoNet, please direct them to deitch@gisatl.fidonet.org, not the
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Asked what he thought of Western civilization,
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M.K. Gandhi said, "I think it would be an excellent idea".
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