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** F I D O N E W S **
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| The newsletter of the | ISSN 1198-4589 Published by: |
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| For information, copyrights, article submissions, |
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Table of Contents
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1. EDITORIAL ................................................ 1
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2. GUEST EDITORIAL .......................................... 2
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Stepping into the Hornet's Nest .......................... 2
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3. ARTICLES ................................................. 3
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Nodelist Robot ........................................... 3
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4. NET HUMOR ................................................ 4
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Elections - What's happening or not ...................... 4
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5. ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT ........................ 6
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Announcing the WRESTLING_CHAT Echo ....................... 6
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6. NOTICES .................................................. 7
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7. FIDONET BY INTERNET ...................................... 8
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8. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 11
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EDITORIAL
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Greetings,
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How many Policies does FidoNet need? Is Policy 4 not enough?
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Now there are moves, to have an Echo Policy - again.
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And how many hats does a *C's have to wear? Is one not enough?
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Yes, call me the question _man_ if you like. And you may wonder
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why this time. :-)
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Personally, I do not believe the *EC structure should exist. Get
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rid of them bunch as they do nothing worth while. Let the *C
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structure take care of ALL that it is suppose too, including that
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what the current *EC structure is doing.
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During my stint as Z5C, I voted for the current Z1C, to take the
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IC position. So he got it, but is it not time for Bob to hand
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the Z1C chair over? Just after the election of IC, Bob sent me
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e-mail, asking what I thought of a few items, including that if
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he should resign as Z1C. My answer to him was, YES! I do not
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believe, that the interest of the Nodes in Z1 is best served by
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having him holding office of both positions.
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Sorry Bob, this is not a vendatta to have you removed as Z1C,
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in fact, I could care less if you wear the hats of both.
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One of these days, we'll have more office bearers than Nodes.
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What's an office bearer? Someone, who carries his office on his
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shoulders. But you get my idea, no?
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Talking about Policies.
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Region 24 in Zone 2, has asked the IC for approval of a Policy.
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Sure, let them have a Policy of their own, but should it override
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Policy 4?
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Happy reading,
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GUEST EDITORIAL
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Stepping into the Hornet's Nest
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Welcome me to the ranks of one of Fido's most persevering entities:
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the rebel without a clue. In a brilliant display of naivete, I've
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managed to mention the terms "feed cut," "policy," and "committee"
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all in the same breath... in the MODERATOR echo! Judging by the
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heat, there are no other terms used in Fidotalk so emotionally
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charged.
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Actually, this particular hornet's nest has been swarming just about
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forever, and I'm not the first who has ever stirred it. Perhaps
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that's the reason Policy 4 speaks in hushed tones about matters
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echomail. Lacking any formal policy, moderators and sysops have
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generally followed an informal set of guidelines collected in the
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North American Backbone's BOFAQ text file, distributed on the
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BACKBONE file area on a monthly basis. Most agree that the informal
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method has worked well, and may even be optimum.
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But now we're talking about feed cuts, which aren't going to work
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well no matter what system is used. A feed cut is the ultimate
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confession that the purely voluntary approach to echo moderation and
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distribution has failed in one small area. A moderator doesn't like
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to employ it - he's spent a lot of time trying to promote the
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conversation, not kill it. A sysop doesn't like to make the cut -
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he's spent a good part of his life bringing people into his system,
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not ushering them out.
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No one even likes to talk about feed cuts.
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But then, that's the reason such a thing should be talked about in
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advance. When it's necessary, when the heat is on and the
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atmosphere is emotionally charged, it's just the wrong time to be
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discussing philosophy and organizational charts, who's in charge and
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who does what.
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But the conversation is going well. My motives have been
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challenged, my premises have been challenged... but my lineage is
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still not a subject for discussion :) It's a good start for a Fido
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bash!
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| Fidonet: Douglas Myers 1:270/720@fidonet.org
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| Internet: doug@mdtnbbs.com
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| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
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| From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ]
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Nodelist Robot
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Date : Fri Oct 09, 00:17
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From : Nodelist Robot 2:292/854
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To : All
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Subj : Nodelist evolution in Zone-2 on day 282
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!Zone/Jul!Ndl-254!Nodel.-261!Nodel.-268!Nodel.-275!Nodel.-282!%%!
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! 1/282 ! 4248 ! 4227 -21! 4184 -43! 4142 -42! 4121 -21!22!
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! 4/282 ! 353 ! 349 -4! 289 -60! 289 0! 275 -14! 1!
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* Origin: Many Glacier / Preserve - Protect - Conserve / (2:292/854)
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NET HUMOR
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Elections - What's Happening or Not
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I'd promised in earlier editions to keep you all informed on the
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election for Z1EC. Unfortunately, after I'd made this commitment,
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things started not happening. The Z1EC had been replaced, and an
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interim Z1EC assumed the duties. Or should I say "duty," for the
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job description specified that the interim Z1EC's sole duty is to
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conduct an election for the permanent ZEC.
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Bob Satti, however, charged the RECC to determine how to select the
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next ZEC. This led most to assume that there would be some minor
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changes before a sysop-level election was held, but rumor has it
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that the RECC has other thoughts.
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So the news is that the RECC is poised to not decide to appoint a
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ZEC, or else they're poised to decide not to appoint a ZEC.
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In stark contrast to the non-election in the ZEC echo, the folks in
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the FN_SYSOP echo are taking a wham-bang no nonsense approach.
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After a couple weeks of nominations, I missed reading for a few days
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and found, upon catching up, that we were in the middle of a three
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day election. I'd mention the candidates and urge you to vote, but
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if you didn't vote yet, then it's over.
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Just in case either of the above echoes want to alter their election
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methods, I figured I'd outline how some of the other echoes handle
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it.
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FN_APATHY The moderator is expected to keep a low
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profile here. Elections are held every five
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weeks when the echo falls off the backbone
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for low traffic. The first person to elist
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the echo is moderator for the next five
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weeks. Some guy named Bob is serving his
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13th consecutive term.
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MY_FAVORITE_MARTIN Elections here are held on demand. Demand
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is off topic.
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NINJA_LITERARY The International Order of Teen-Aged Mutant
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Ninja Literary Commandos meets in enclave
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annually, selecting qualified members from
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it's rank to participate in a
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double-elimination duel with asparagus. The
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survivor is elisted. There can be only one.
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LEMMINGSnnn The twelve thousand critters in this echo
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scamper to the top of the backbone,
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whereupon the moderator orders camp to be
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made. One of the troops protests this order
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and elists a new echo, and then leads a
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charge off the backbone. This method of
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election has been adapted in other echoes and
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is commonly called "voting with your feet."
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DALLAS The moderator in this echo is appointed
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against his will and administered
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mind-altering drugs to ward off outside
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influences. He spends his days trying to
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convince any of the other residence of his
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echo to take the job, but they reject his
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pleas. His only hope is for rescue from one
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of the freedom fighters from other echoes,
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but he is conditioned to send them away when
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they succeed in breaching the walls of his
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echo.
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| Fidonet: Douglas Myers 1:270/720@fidonet.org
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| Internet: doug@mdtnbbs.com
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| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.
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| From Mdtn_BBS @mdtnbbs.com [ In the Heart of Three Mile Island ]
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ADVERTISE YOUR FREE SERVICE/EVENT
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Emanuel Edwards
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1:348/963
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emanuel@escape.ca
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Hello all Fidonet Sysops:
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Where else can you find a great echo that will increase the users on
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your BBS? Well here is the answer to your question.
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The WRESTLING_CHAT echo can be classified as one of the best echo on
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Fidonet today. If you don't have internet access and want to read all
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the latest news in the wrestling world this echo will provide you with
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all the valuable information. In the last 6 months the echo been
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getting well over 200 messages a week. Once you request the
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WRESTLING_CHAT on your BBS you will see a great increase in news users
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on your BBS.
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Make that important decision today and request this great and
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interesting echo on your BBS. If you need more information about the
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echo you can contact me by email at emanuel@escape.ca
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The Areatag for the echo is WRESTLING_CHAT
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Moderator for the echo is Emanuel Edwards
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Co_Moderator for the echo is Barry Laws JR
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Volume of Mail in one months 1000 to 1200
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Emanuel
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Internet emanuel@escape.ca
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Fidonet 1:348/963
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Future History
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23 Nov 1998
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35th Anniversary of Doctor Who.
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1 Dec 1998
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Fifteenth Anniversary of release of Fido version 1 by
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Tom Jennings.
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16 Feb 1999
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13th Anniversary of the introduction of EchoMail by Jeff Rush.
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12 May 1999
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12th Anniversary of Fido Operations in Zone 4;
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10th Anniversary of the creation of FidoNet Zone 4.
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24 Jul 1999
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XIII Pan American Games [through 8 Aug 99].
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9 Jun 1999
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Tenth Anniversary of the adoption of FidoNet Policy 4.07.
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10 Sep 1999
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10th anniversary of Zone 5 operations.
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26 Oct 1999
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Thirty years from release Abbey Road album by the Beatles.
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31 Dec 1999
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Hogmanay, Scotland. The New Year that can't be missed.
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1 Jan 2000
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The 20th Century, C.E., is still taking place thru 31 Dec.
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1 Jun 2000
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EXPO 2000 World Exposition in Hannover (Germany) opens.
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15 Sep 2000
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Sydney (Australia) Summer Olympiad opens.
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21 Sep 2000
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10 years of FidoNet in +7 (xUSSR)
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1 Jan 2001
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This is the actual start of the new millennium, C.E.
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-- If YOU have something which you would like to see in this
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Future History, please send a note to the FidoNews Editor.
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This is a list of all FidoNet-related sites reported to the
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FidoNews Editor as of this issue; see the notice at the end.
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FidoNet:
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Homepage http://www.fidonet.org
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FidoNews http://www.fidonews.org [HTML]
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http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html [ASCII]
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WWW sources http://www.scms.rgu.ac.uk/students/cs_yr94/lk/fido.html
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FTSC page http://www.goldware.dk/ftsc
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Echomail [pending]
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WebRing http://ddi.digital.net/~cbaker84/fnetring.html [TFN]
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General http://owls.com/~jerrys/fidonet.html
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Zone 1: http://www.z1.fidonet.org
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Region 10: http://www.psnw.com/~net205/region10.html
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Region 11: http://oeonline.com/~garyg/region11/
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Region 17: http://www.nwstar.com/~region17/
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Region 18: http://techshop.pdn.net/fido/
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Region 19: http://www.compconn.net
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Zone 1 Elist http://www.baltimoremd.com/elist/
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Zone 2: http://www.z2.fidonet.org
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ZEC2:
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Zone 2 Elist: http://www.fbone.ch/echolist/
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Region 20: http://www.fidonet.pp.se (in Swedish)
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Region 23: http://www.fido.dk (in Danish)
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Region 24: http://www.swb.de/personal/flop/gatebau.html (German)
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Fido-IP: http://home.nrh.de/~lbehet/fido (English/German)
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Region 25: http://www.bsnet.co.uk/net2502/net/
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Region 26: http://www.nemesis.ie
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REC 26: http://www.nrgsys.com/orb
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Region 27: http://telematique.org/ft/r27.htm
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Region 29: http://www.rtfm.be/fidonet/ (French)
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Region 30: http://www.fidonet.ch (German)
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Region 33: http://www.fidoitalia.net (Italian)
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Region 34: http://www.pobox.com/cnb/r34.htm (Spanish)
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REC34: http://pobox.com/~chr
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Region 36: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7207/
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Region 38: http://public.st.carnet.hr/~blagi/bbs/adriam.html
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Region 41: http://www.fidonet.gr (Greek/English)
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Region 42: http://www.fido.cz
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Region 48: http://www.fidonet.org.pl
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Region 50: http://www.fido7.com/ (Russian)
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Net 5010: http://fido.tu-chel.ac.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5015: http://www.fido.nnov.ru/ (Russian)
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Net 5030: http://kenga.ru/fido/ (Russian & English)
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Net 5073: http://people.weekend.ru/soa/ (Russian)
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Zone 3: http://www.z3.fidonet.org
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Zone 4: http://www.altern.org/zone4
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Region 90: http://visitweb.com/fidonet
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Net 903: http://www.playagrande.com/refugio
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Net 904: http://members.tripod.com/~net904 (Spanish)
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Zone 5: http://www.eastcape.co.za/fidonet/index.htm
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please make use of ip address: 196.37.151.41 until all
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the DNS entries have been rectified.
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Zone 6: http://www.z6.fidonet.org
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Pages listed above are as submitted to the FidoNews Editor,
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and generally reflect Zone and Regional Web Page sites. If
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no Regional site is submitted, the first Network page from
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that Region is used in its place. Generally, Regional pages
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should list access points to all Networks within the Region.
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TCP/IP accessible node access information should be submitted
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to the FidoNews Editor for inclusion in their Region or Zone.
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Fidonet Via Internet Hubs
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Node# | Operator | Facilities (*) | Speed | Basic Rate
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1:12/12 | Ken Wilson | FTP | T1 | $24mo.
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1:13/25 | Jim Balcom | FTP | 56k | $20mo.
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1:124/7008 | Ben Hamilton |FTP,VMoT,F2I,UUE| 64k | $10/$20mo.
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1:140/12 | Bob Seaborn | FTP | T1 | $5/$20
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1:270/101 | George Peace | FTP | T1 | $30mo.
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1:271/140 | Tom Barstow | F2I | ??? | $2mo.
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1:275/1 | Joshua Ecklund | UUE,F2I | 28.8 | $10/yr.
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1:280/169 | Brian Greenstreet | FTP | 33.6 | $2mo.
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1:2401/305 | Peter Rocca | FTP,UUE | T1 | unkn
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1:2424/10 | Alec Grynspan | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $1mo.
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1:2424/3121| Earl Clark | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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1:2604/104 | Jim Mclaughlin | FTP,VMoT,UUE | 33.6 | $1mo.
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1:2624/306 | D. Calafrancesco | VFOS | 33.6 | $15yr.
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1:345/0 | Todd Cochrane | FTP | T1 | n/c
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1:346/250 | Aran Spence | FTP,UUE | T1 | $10mo.
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1:342/1022 | Steve Steffler | UUE,F2I | 33.6 | n/c
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1:3651/9 | Jerry Gause | FTP,VMoT | 33.6 | $3/$6
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1:396/1 | John Souvestre | FTP,VMoT | T1 | $15mo.
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2:2411/413 | Dennis Dittrich | UUE | 64k | n/c
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2:33/505 | Mario Mure | VMoT,UUE | 64k | n/c
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2:335/610 | Gino Lucrezi | UUE | 33.6 | n/c
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2:469/84 | Max Masyutin | VMoT | 256k | n/c
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2:2474/275 | Christian Emig | UUE | 64k | unkn
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2:2490/5170| Lenny Murphy | F2I | ??? | n/c
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5:7104/2 | Henk Wolsink | FTP | 28.8 | n/c
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+ VMoT = Virtual Mailer over Telnet (various)
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+ F2I = Fido2Int (W95)
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+ UUE = uuencode<->email packet transfers
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compiled by C. Ingersoll, 1:2623/71, (609)814-1978, fbn@dandy.net
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Posted on the 1st of every month in FN_SYSOP, R13SYSOP and Fidonews.
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! Origin: * Fly By Night * (609)814-1978 *(1:2623/71)
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FIDONEWS INFORMATION
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------- FIDONEWS MASTHEAD AND CONTACT INFORMATION -------
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Editor: Henk Wolsink
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Editors Emeritii: Tom Jennings, Thom Henderson, Dale Lovell,
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Vince Perriello, Tim Pozar, Sylvia Maxwell,
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Donald Tees, Christopher Baker, Zorch Frezberg
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"FidoNews Editor"
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FidoNet 5:5/23
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BBS +27-41-515-913, 2400/9600/V.34/V.90
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more addresses:
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Henk Wolsink -- 5:7104/2, hwolsink@catpe.alt.za
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(Postal Service mailing address)
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FidoNews Editor
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P.O. Box 12325
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Port Elizabeth,
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6006
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South Africa
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FidoNews is published weekly by and for the members of the FIDONET
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INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR ELECTRONIC MAIL system. It is a compilation
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of individual articles contributed by their authors or their
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authorized agents. The contribution of articles to this compilation
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does not diminish the rights of the authors. OPINIONS EXPRESSED in
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these articles ARE THOSE OF THE AUTHORS and not necessarily those of
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FidoNews and/or the Editor.
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Authors retain copyright on individual works; otherwise FidoNews is
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Copyright 1998 Henk Wolsink. All rights reserved. Duplication
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and/or distribution permitted for noncommercial purposes only. For
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use in other circumstances, please contact the original authors, or
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the Editor.
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OBTAINING COPIES: The most recent issue of FidoNews in electronic
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form may be obtained from the FidoNews Editor via manual download or
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file-request, or from various sites in the FidoNet and Internet.
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PRINTED COPIES may be obtained by sending SASE to the above postal
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address. File-request FIDONEWS for the current Issue. File-request
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FNEWS for the current month in one archive. Or file-request specific
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back Issue filenames in distribution format [FNEWSFnn.ZIP] for a
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particular Issue. Monthly Volumes are available as FNWSmmmy.ZIP
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where mmm = three letter month [JAN - DEC] and y = last digit of the
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current year [8], i.e., FNWSJAN8.ZIP for all the Issues from Jan 98.
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Annual volumes are available as FNEWSn.ZIP where n = the Volume number
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1 - 15 for 1984 - 1998, respectively. Annual Volume archives range in
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size from 48K to 1.4M.
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INTERNET USERS: FidoNews is available via:
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http://www.fidonews.org
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http://www.fidonet.org/fidonews.htm
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ftp://ftp.fidonet.org/pub/fidonet/fidonews/
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ftp://ftp.aminet.org/pub/aminet/comm/fido/
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ftp://ftp.irvbbs.com/fidonews/
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ftp://ftp.nwstar.com/Fidonet/Fidonews
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And in non-English formats via:
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http://www.hvc.ee/pats/fidonews (Estonian)
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http://www.fidonet.pp.se/sfnews (Swedish)
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You may obtain an email subscription to FidoNews by sending email to:
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You may retrieve current and previous Issues of FidoNews via FTPMail
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by sending email to:
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ftpmail@fidonews.org
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with a Subject line of: help
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and FTPMail will immediately send a reply containing details and
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instructions. When you actually make a file request, FTPMail will
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respond in three stages. You find a link for this process on
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www.fidonews.org.
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You can read the current FidoNews Issue in HTML format at:
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http://www.fidonews.org
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STAR SOURCE for ALL Past Issues via FTP and file-request -
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Available for FReq from 1:396/1 or by anonymous FTP from:
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ftp://ftp.sstar.com/fidonet/fnews/
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Each yearly archive also contains a listing of the Table-of-Contents
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for that year's issues. The total set is currently about 13 Megs.
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The current week's FidoNews and the FidoNews public-key are now also
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available almost immediately after publication on the FidoNews Editor
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homepage on the World Wide Web at:
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http://209.77.228.66/fidonews.html
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There are also links there to jim barchuk's HTML FidoNews source and
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to John Souvestre's FTP site for the archives. There is also an
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email link for sending in an article as message text. Drop on over.
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SUBMISSIONS: You are encouraged to submit articles for publication in
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FidoNews. Article submission requirements are contained in the file
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ARTSPEC.DOC, available from the FidoNews Editor, or file-requestable
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from 5:5/23 [5:7104/2] as file "ARTSPEC.DOC". ALL Zone Coordinators
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also have copies of ARTSPEC.DOC. Please read it.
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"Fido", "FidoNet" and the dog-with-diskette are U.S. registered
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trademarks of Tom Jennings, P.O. Box 410923, San Francisco, CA 94141,
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and are used with permission.
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"Disagreement is actually necessary,
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or we'd all have to get in fights
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or something to amuse ourselves
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and create the requisite chaos."
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