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Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
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LOVE AND RAGE
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Electronic Edition
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APRIL/MAY 1993
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Part 4
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Part 4: Letters to the Editor, Notices
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A Few Words About Politics
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Where's AYF?
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Writers Wanted!
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New Journal on Childhood Sexual Abuse
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Spanish Section Synopsis
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Letters to Love and Rage
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A FEW WORDS ABOUT POLITICS
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Love and Rage is a bi-monthly anarchist newspaper intended to
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foster revolutionary anti-authoritarian activism in North America
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and build a more effective anarchist movement. We will provide
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coverage of social struggles, world events, anarchist actions and
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cultures of resistance. We will support the struggles of oppressed
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peoples around the world for control over their own lives. Anarchy
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offers the broadest possible critique of domination, making
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possible a framework for unity in all struggles for liberation. We
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seek to understand the systems we live under for ourselves and
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reject any prepackaged ideology. Anarchism is a living body of
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theory and practice connected directly to the lived experiences of
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oppressed people fighting for their own liberation. We anticipate
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the radical and on-going revision of our ideas as a necessary part
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of any revolutionary process.
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A set of "working papers," encompassing the current debate about
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our Political Statement is available from
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Jodi, c/o AA
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PO Box 10007
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Columbus, OH 43201
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For more information about these and other internal debates,
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subscribe to our Discussion Bulletin and Network Bulletin.
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Where's AYF?
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If you've read Love and Rage before, you might notice that this
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issue has no Anarchist Youth Federation page. AYF is currently
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trying to develop a more-collective way to produce the page. As
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soon as they come up with a process they're happy with, we'll start
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running the page again. For more info write to:
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AYF Discussion Bulletin
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PO Box 365
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New York, NY 10013
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WRITERS WANTED
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Yes you. Time to fork over your news blurbs, articles, photos and
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illustrations for us to print. Wimmin, people of color, young
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people and people in regions we don't hear from much are especially
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encouraged to contribute. We always want more cultural stuff -
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book, film, music reviews and the like - as well as more reports on
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positive community projects. The June/July issue will focus on
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strategies for anarchy. Let us know what you're up to, who you're
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working with, what struggles you're working around and why those
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things are important. Deadline is April 15. The August/September
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issue will focus on anarcha-feminism in theory and practice.
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Deadline is June 15.
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THE JOURNAL BODY MEMORIES: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexual
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Abuse, is seeking submissions of articles, artwork, critical
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analysis, personal stories and poetry. "We are not just looking for
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a road to recovery, but also a road to revolution." (It is also a
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great zine doing important work. You should read it.)
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P.O. Box 14941
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Berkeley, CA 94701
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SPANISH SECTION SYNOPSIS
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PAGE ONE: Anarchist Black Cross
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Included in this section are: an article on indigenous prisoners in
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Mexican prisons, a short history of A.B.C., and a list of past and
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current A.B.C. prisoner support campaigns.
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PAGE TWO:
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Represion contra Anarquistas Griegas is an article from Amor y
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Rabia/Mexico that chronicles some history of the Greek anarchist
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movement and updates the current situation there. Comedores
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Populares is an article from Bandera Negra (Lima, Peru) about the
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libertarian nature of community kitchens Peru's shantytowns.
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PAGES THREE AND FOUR: Queer Focus Section
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This section contains translations of K. Small's article Queer
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Killings (Asesinatos revelan la hipocresia de la izquierda) from
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page one and Paul Dalton's article Questioning (Queer) Authority
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(Una perspectiva anarquista sobre la politica queer) from page
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four. Also, there is an article about the situation of queers in
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South America (Estados sudamericanos contra las queers), as well as
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a list of queer contacts in South America.
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PAGE FIVE: Notes of Revolt
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The Spanish page of Notes of Revolt contains translations of
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various notes from the International pages of the English section.
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Letters to Love and Rage, April-May 1993
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FIGHTING WHITE SUPREMACY
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Comrades,
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I was very excited to see a copy of Love and Rage. This is the best
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revolutionary anarchist publication I have ever seen, including
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Canada's Open Road. What I especially like is that contrary to most
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anarchists of the 1970s and 80's, when my revolutionary pamphlets
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"Anarchism and the Black Revolution" was published, your group
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seems to understand the dynamics of white supremacy and why it must
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be fought. You can't imagine the kind of "cop-out" racist
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capitualtionism that the Industrial Workers of the World (I.W.W.)
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and most anarchist groups were guilty of then.
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I was one of a small number of anarchists or libertarian socialists
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of African descent. Since I alone was not numerically powerful
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enough to influence events I wrote my revolutionary pamphlets on
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building an international social revolutionary movement, the
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importance of an anarchist anti-racist movement, a Black
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revolutionary libertarian movement, an anarchist prisoner support
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group (A.B.C.), and other subjects. My model for the pamphlets was
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"Kropotkin's Revolutionary Pamphlets," edited by Roger Baldwin. It
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shocks me to find that my pamphlets have been reprinted for years
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after I wrote them. I am now considering rewriting and updating the
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pamphlets, and issuing them in book form. If I can find a publisher
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I will push right ahead.
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This is an historical period that anarchists must develop a
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coherent philosophy to challenge the descent of Marxism-Leninism as
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a revolutionary ideology, and to create a world socio-political
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movement to challenge existing institutions. Clearly, we must
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create counter-institutions to propagate the new doctrine, do mass
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political re-education, and challenge the capitalist authorities.
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This is real, not just my ideas or desires. New revolutionary
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formations must have the germ of the new society within the belly
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of the beast.
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So what is this debate about "confrontationist" versus "gradualist"
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struggle really about in my estimation? It is about building
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larger, more representative "mass" formations on the one hand, and
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just mindless smallgroup protest engaged in by most anarchists. We
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should not become static "educational" societies, nor should we go
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over to street fighting/commando tactics as our primary approach.
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I am opposed to the sort of petite-bourgeois individualist
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anarchism that the north american movement is noted for; clearly we
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must be grounded in the working class. There is too much bourgeois
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scholasticism in the anarchist movement. I have always had ties
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with the Workers Solidarity Alliance (W.S.A.) and the International
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Workers Association (I.W.A.), along with other syndicalists,
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council communists, and libertarian socialists.
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So, what have I been doing since my release from prison in 1983? I
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have been a full-time community organizer almost since my first day
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on the streets. I have been the president of a small activist
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coalition which has been fighting racism and police brutality in
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Chatanooga, Tennessee for years. Our struggle has driven the Klan
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out of the city, forced a murderous police commisioner to resign in
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disgrace, and to topple the local racist government. Our tactics
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have included civil rights lawsuits, mass demonstrations, armed
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self-defense, rallies, conferences, door-to-door organizing, and
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any other effective tactics. We have turned this small conservative
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town upside-down! We've got the cops and the Klan on the run!
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Finally, I am writing my autobiography, and only need a publisher.
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If you know anybody who can do the job, let me know.
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Once again, I love the paper. Please send some back issues.
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In love and struggle
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Lorenzo Komboa Erwin
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ANTI-ZIONISM AND ANTI-SEMITISM
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Dear Leprechauns and Roarers,
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Although I've tried to avoid taking part in your letter-page
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debates in the past, the Raven's Banner Collective's "Lyin' About
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Zion" letter demands a response.
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Their letter seems to criticize the anarchist movement in general
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and Love and Rage in particular, for being soft on Zionism.
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Throughout the letter Zionism is equated with fascism, a
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proposition which leads to some interesting conclusions and
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statements: one Jew (Rabbi Schneerson) is described as a "fuhrer,"
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Jews are described as the ethnic community most infected by
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fascism, and the racist right is described as a "feeble fart"
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compared to international Zionism. Anarchists are criticized for
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not spending enough energy opposing Zionism, and it is insinuated
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that they spend too much energy opposing the anti-Semitic extreme
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right. Despite a confusing analysis, what R.B.C.'s letter makes
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very clear is that some anarchists lack an understanding of Zionism
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and Anti-Semitism, and for this reason they write letters which
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could (and should) be condemned as anti-Semitic.
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Their are four main ways in which the "Lyin' About Zion" letter
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distorts history or uses weak analysis in a way which is
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anti-Semitic.
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1. A routine comparison of Zionist atrocities to Nazi atrocities.
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It is common practice for people who want to belittle the
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experience of oppressed peoples to imply that they have no right to
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claim to be oppressed and to compare them to their opressors. Who
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hasn't noticed how many anti-feminist men get off talking about
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mothers abusing their children, or how many white people like to
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talk about the miserable, violent, and patriarchal nature of
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pre-contact Native peoples? If you've never noticed this, just read
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some stuff from V.O.C.A.L. (Victims Of Child Abuse Laws), or that
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Revolutionary Communist Party position paper on Native culture
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(reprinted in ''Marxism and Native Americans'', edited by Ward
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Churchill and published by South End Press). And have you ever
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noticed how straight white men will simultaneously criticize the
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Gay mens movement for being sexist and the Wimmin's movement for
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being homophobic?
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Unfortunately, some leftists engage in this same parctice when it
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comes to Jews: Jews are the most racist and sexist, Zionism is
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genocide, Israel is a fascist, even a Nazi, state.
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Transference (the mechanism of transfering the percieved sins of
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one's own community onto others) is at work once again.
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Historically, European communities were full of religious,
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economic, and child-rearing practices which contradicted the
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Christian ideal, and anti-Semitism was one way that these tensions
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could be transferred, if only symbolically, outside the community.
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Social mobility was occurring and small-scale capitalism was
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developing within a Christian culture which had previously opposed
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rising above one's rank and had a vested interest in a feudal
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social system, so Jews became known as greedy, usureres, etc. In
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communities which had historically practiced infanticide and child
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abandonment, Jews were suspected of kidnapping Christian babies and
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making matzoh (unleavened bread) out of their blood. In Christian
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communities uneasy with fresh memories of natural religions and the
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worship of nature deities (many of which had horns and goat legs,
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such as Satyrs), Jews were rumored to have horns hidden under their
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hats, to practice witchcraft, and to enter into pacts with a
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satyr-like devil. The list goes on and on, and lets just say that
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it is not surprising in a world which recently witnessed the
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burning of millions in what was essentially an anti-Jewish
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phenomenon of unprecedented proportions, Jews are accused of doing
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the same things to Palestinians as the Nazis did to them, Zionists
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are compared to Nazis, Rabbi Schneerson is described as a fuhrer .
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2. Zionism = Fascism. Besides the above analysis of why so many
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people of Christain descent might want to equate Zionism with
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Nazism, there is a valid question of whether or not 20th century
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Zionism is racist, and whether or not Zionists are fascists. The
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above explanation of why so many might wish it were so does not
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refute the basic claim. i.e. that Zionists (and thus the majority
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of Jews) are fascists.
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But first what is Zionism?
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Zionism is no more and no less than the political project of
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securing a land base in Israel for world Jewry. Prior to the
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Holocaust it was a minority tendency amongst Jews, but having
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European Jewish society destroyed, along with an estimated six
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million Jews, many former non-Zionists had a change of heart. The
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strategy of cohabitation, long the majority tendency amongst
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European Jews, had left them vulnerable to a catastrophe which
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effectively destroyed their society. Those who survived the
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Holocaust often languished in Displaced Persons camps for months or
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even years. Those who managed to return "home" were often met by
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anti-semitic violence, such as the pogrom at Kielce in Poland,
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where several hundred Jews were murdered in 1946. At the same time
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the "civilized" victor nations remained just as adamant after the
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War as they had during it to keeping out Jewish refugees. Even the
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Soviet Union, which had tried to act as a haven for Jewish refugees
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during the war, was quick to embark upon an anti-Semitic campaign
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against so-called "rootless cosmopolitanism." Under these
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circumstances, is it fair or even humane (in the broadest sense of
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the word) to equate the many Jews who left post-Nazi Europe for
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Israel with the Nazis who had butchered their loved ones, or even
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with "respectable" anti-Semites who continued to block their
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emigration to America, Canada, and so many other countries? It has
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been said that it was easier for a Nazi to enter America after the
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war than it was for a Jew. Indeed, the factors which can lead a Jew
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to identify with Zionism are very different from those which have
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lead white Gentiles to become Nazis.
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Is Zionism inherently racist? Zionism is certainly racial, inasmuch
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as Jews are a race (I won't bother to quibble with R.B.C.'s
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semantic problems with the word "race"), because it seeks to secure
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a landbase for Jews. Zionism does not racialize matters any more
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than various other nationalisms though, be they Irish
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Republicanism, New Afrikan, or Puerto Rican nationalism. That is,
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Zionism is not racist per se.
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It would be wrong to pretend that the State of Israel has not acted
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in an incredibly racist manner, but so has every other State that
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has existed since I was born. And I don't want to be unfair or
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cynical, but many of these States were the result of national
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liberation movements which were strongly supported by the left of
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my parent's generation, and there is no reason to believe that any
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states created by today's national liberation movements will be
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much better. It is the nature of a State set up by a liberation
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movement identifying itself with one or a few particular ethnic
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groups to be racial in nature, if not racist. However, when the
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alternative is death and business-as-usual-imperialism, it takes a
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peculiarly alienated person to equate these nationalisms with the
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racism of W.A.S.P.s, or to oppose them simply because they have not
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transcended the racial and national oppression from which they are
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born, even though this must remain the ultimate goal.
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So yes, Zionism as practiced by the State of Israel is racist.
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There is a Zionist left wing, which is similar to the Cabadian, or
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American left wing: not revolutionary, but not quite as bad as it
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is sometimes described by anti-Semites. Contrary to what R.B.C.
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says, there is a section of the Zionist left which fights for a
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two-state solution to the Palestinian national question, a solution
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which would not amount to Palestinian bantustans. The equation of
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Zionism with racism, or fascism, is only valid if you're willing to
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apply these terms to all nationalist movements. In that case why
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even bother singling out Zionism, why not just express it as many
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anarchists do, as a problem stemming from all nationalisms, not
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just Jewish nationalism? Too often, it seems, people support the
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right to self-determination for nations, but then play word-games
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and insist that Jews (as well as other "loser nations") are not a
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"people," but merely an "amalgam of ethnic communities and
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individuals."
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3. Anti-Semitic stereotyping. Throughout "Lyin' About Zion" Zionism
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is described as insidious, molding public opinion, and as the most
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stealthy fascist movement worldwide. Although no expert on the
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subject, it does cross my mind that all of these characteristics
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are traditional sterotypes used to vilify Jews. Whether or not
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various claims about Zionism are true, we should all be aware of
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the power of stereotypes and racist images, and should try to
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refrain from using them in our diatribes.
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4. Anti-fascists should pay less attention to fighting the Gentile
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racist right, and more attention to fighting Zionism. The claim is
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also made that American Jews do not constitute an oppressed
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community, ostensibly because they have too much money.
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Firstly, many American Jews live well below the poverty line, but
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even if they didn't, class alone does not automatically stop
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someone from being oppressed (queer people are oppressed, despite
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the fact that gay men as a group are well represented in the middle
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and upper-middle classes). German Jewry was generally well-to-do,
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but I challenge anyone to show me how dying in a concentration
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camp, or surviving but being the only one in your family to do so,
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is an example of anything but oppression. And for those of you who
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feel that anti-Semitism is a German, or old-fashioned, ideology,
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please consider the folllowing:
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- Pat Buchanan, amongst other prominent Americans, has denied the
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existence of the Holocaust. So has David Irving, a man whose books
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on World War II are required reading in many universities.
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- Anti-Semitic attacks are on the increase in every province across
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Canada (I'm afraid I have no statistics for the U.S.A.).
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- Most left wing groups which support the right of nations to
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self-determination make a point of insisting that Jews are not a
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nation, they are either a religious group or a people-class, both
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of which which would be abolished in a secular, classless,
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socialist world.
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The Gentile racist right, far from being ineffective, has more
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clout that either the left or the anarchist communities in many
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parts of the world.
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In Montreal, two gay men were murdered by homophobic gangs last
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December. One of these gangs has been linked to the German
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N.S.D.A.P./A.O. (the self-styled heirs of Hitler's N.S.D.A.P, or
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Nazi Party). Since New Years, almost ten Synagogues have been
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vandalised, as has a centre which helps African immigrants. All of
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this in a city of three million in one of the provinces with the
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lowest amount of reported hate crimes in Canada.
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On your side of the border, Colorado has passed homophobic
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legislation following a reactionary Christian crusade to save the
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straight world. Police forces in L.A. and elsewhere are infiltrated
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by neo-Nazi and racist organizations. The U.S. war machine is
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aiding, abetting, and occasionally instigating genocides across the
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globe (many of which we are probably ignorant of), often with the
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support of the majority of white Americans, and often in collusion
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with fascist and anti-Semitic groups in the U.S.. (Remember
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Civilian Military Assistance and Don Black's Klan sending fascist
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brigades to fight in Nicaragua alongside the Contras).
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To turn our energy from fighting these forces, in order to
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concentrate on fighting Zionism as a fascist movement, would be to
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ideologically disarm ourselves in the fight against neo-Nazism and
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anti-Semitism, and could also lead to sections of our anti-fascist
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movement falling within the orbit of the extreme right. If you
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think this is far fetched, just read the recent self-criticism of
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the Revolutionary Cells, which describes how anti-semitism and
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authoritarianism influenced their anti-Zionist actions (Arm The
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Spirit #12, March-May 1992). There are much worse examples, though,
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for instance firebombings of synagogues, cooperation with "third
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position" fascists, Holocaust revisionism, and much more, all of
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which have been undertaken by "left wing" or "anarchist" groups
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eager to justify and act upon their opposition to "Nazi Israel."
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Given the history of anarchism and leftism in North America and
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Europe, it is particularly important that we all come to terms with
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anti-semitism in all its various guises. Many of the figures we may
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identify with (such as Bakunin and Marx) were anti-Semites, and
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many of the organizations within the Left and anarchist scenes have
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been influenced by anti-Semitism (for instance, the Social
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Revolutionary Anarchist Foundation, la Vielle Taupe in Paris, David
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Crowbar's Popular Reality, etc.). At the same time. a deeper
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understanding of anti-Semitism can make our critique much stronger.
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The historic similarities between the persecution of Jews, queer
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people and heretical movements (which were often anti-statist and
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sometimes anti-authoritarian) by Christian Europe are many. The
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development of genuinely non-chauvinistic, anti-authoritarian and
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anti-racist (as opposed to anti-Semitic) critique of Zionism, and
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of all ethnic nationalisms, would also strengthen our movements and
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our understanding of racism.
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I feel that, instead of following R.B.C.'s advice, the anti-fascist
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movement should instead try and incorporate a greater understanding
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of the different forms of racism and the various contradictions in
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European history. Anti-Zionism has it's place within the field of
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anti-nationalism, not anti-Semitism, and Palestinian support work
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is a matter of anti-imperialism, not of fighting Jewish Nazis.
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R.B.C. would do well to rememer this.
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This said, I should point out (for those of you who don't know it
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already) that there are extreme right wing Zionist groups. The
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Kahane (Rabbi Meir Kahane was a Jewish fascist ideologue
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responsible for setting up the Jewish Defense League and the racist
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Kach party in Isreal. He was assainated a few years ago.) Chai
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movement and the J.D.L .(as well as various splinter groups) are
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operating across North America. These groups are virulently rascist
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and right wing, and when not engaged in paramilitary acts against
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Palestinian support activists and Arab diplomats they spend their
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time trying to spread their hatred throughout the Jewish community.
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They are examples of how nationalism can lead to fascism, but to
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claim that Jewish nationalists are more prone to this kind of
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fascism than nationalists of other cultures betrays a certain
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naivet� about modern nationalist movements. It also betrays a
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certain ignorance about the internal working of the Zionist state
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itself: after all, while Bo Gritz, Lyndon Larouche, Pat Buchanan
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and David Duke all get to play at electoral politics in the U.S.A.,
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the Israeli Kach Party has been outlawed for promotong racist
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hatred in supposedly fascist Israel. Indeed, to claim that the
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J.D.L., etc. represent the purest expression of Zionism (which they
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would if it was a genuine version of fascism) conveniently avoids
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the question of why so many Jews, eager to fight the Klansmen and
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Nazis of the nineties, will wind up in these Jewish hate groups
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instead of in the anti-fascist movement. Could it be because the
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anti-fascist movement, like the Left from which it has gotten most
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of it's ideological baggage, has such an inadequate understanding
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of anti-Semitism, Gentile chauvinism, Zionism, and the Holocaust
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that it alienates many of these young fighters? A question that
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should be dealt with at greater length, perhaps some other time .
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. .
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I also feel that an explaination would be in order as to who P.A.
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Ward, and what R.B.C., is, and what their relationship to the Love
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& Rage Network is. Are these people anarchists, leftists, or some
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other variety of political animal? And what is their basis for
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regarding Jewish nationalism as such an omnipotent and fascistic
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force?
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Yours in revolutionary anti-fascism,
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another bisexual friend of Roman Catholic descent
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TO THE NETWORK FROM OGB
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So were we only a novelty? And now the excitement with us is over?
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--Agnes Hochberg, Hungarian anarcho-feminist
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We protest the authoritarian and chauvinist (to the easterners)
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manner in which the On Gogol Boulevard (O.G.B.) page (produced by
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Neither East Nor West-NYC (N.E.N.W-N.Y.C.) in conjunction with
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easterners) was canceled in Love and Rage at Love and Rage's
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Atlanta Nov 1992 conference: with no prior consultation with
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N.E.N.W-N.Y.C., nor with any easterners, nor with the effective
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representation necessary of N.E.N.W.-N.Y.C. in Atlanta
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(N.E.N.W.-N.Y.C.'s O.G.B. coordinator was too ill to attend).
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(Readers, please understand, WE DID NOT QUIT, as some abroad are
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interpreting it!)
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N.E.N.W.-N.Y.C. is a popular and well known group of longevity and
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substance. Among our mandates are to print the activist oriented
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text of alternative radicals in Communist/ex-Communist countries.
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The east is still very much the east and no less relevant. Now
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suddenly the rug has been pulled out from under us disrupting our
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unique work. (And the technical and political problems that arose
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with our text in the first Love and Rage without OGB proper (Vol.
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4 No. 1) underscores our need for autonomy. See end of article to
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get our take on it.)
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The opposition to this is substantial and visceral. Many other
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publications have come forward to ongoingly/temporarily fill in the
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gap (Profane Existence, Anarchy, Fifth Estate, the Anarchist Youth
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Federation Bulletin). But we want our proper place back in Love and
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Rage (whom we helped found and who have the activist bent and
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international distribution relevant to our work).
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We're seeking support for our demand of restoration of our
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autonomous section, and will ask that this be put on the agenda of
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this summer's Love and Rage Network gathering.
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In the meantime we're collecting signatures of individuals/groups
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supporting us (please send them directly to NENW-NYC). And we need
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a subsidy to mail the other publications carrying our news to the
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east/third world, none of whom have the type of foreign circulation
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that Love and Rage has. Checks can be made to On Gogol Boulevard,
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or tax-deductible contributions can be made to: the Aspect
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Foundation (and again mailed to us).
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For $1 and an S.A.S.E. we've a much longer and detailed version of
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this letter (votes in the Production Group were going against it,
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so we pulled it), plus a lengthy criticism of the Atlanta decision
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by an individual N.E.N.W.-N.Y.C. member.
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We also have available petitions supporting our case in English and
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Russian.
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The members of Neither East Nor West-N.Y.C.:
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Matt Lore, Mary Shelly, Ivo Scoric, Eldon Garcia, Neil Farber,
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Agnes Hochberg, Tom Mauer, Bob McGlynn, Alexandre Rubchenko, Bill
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Weinberg, Mike Harris, Polina Mograchyova, Malgorzata Tarasiewicz,
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Adam Jagusiak
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(In our present membership are reps from Croatia, Russia, Hungary
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and Poland who've moved here, are here on extended stays, or visit
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often)
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Neither East Nor West, 528 5th St., Brooklyn, NY 11215
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Tel (718) 499-7720
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