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1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask....
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2 ************************* REMOVED: 16 OCT 83 ************************
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3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator
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4 ************************************************************
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5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON
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6 THIS SYSTEM.
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7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned
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8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public.
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9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system.
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10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and
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11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the
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12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive
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13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be
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14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved)
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15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on
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16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'.
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17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out
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18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored.
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19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake,
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20 use the replace command to replace the line.
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21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up.
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22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system.
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23 ========================================
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24 What kind of liberals are you referring to when you say 'us liberals', CYM? Are you talking about the Traditional
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25 Liberals, who believed in the power of the individual and rejected big government and all the interference that went
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26 along with it. Or are you talking about the New Liberals, who love big government and all of its taxes and
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27 interference. Or perhaps you speak of the bleeding-heart liberals, who blame themselves and practically everyone else
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28 for the 'downtrodden minorities'. There are big differences between the types of liberals I mentioned. Unfortunately
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29 in our attempts to categorize people, we forget that a single name, 'liberal', means wildly different things to
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30 different people.
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31 The same comment goes for you, Hrothgar. If you wanted Reagan to 'balance the budget, get government off the backsfsalbs
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32 liberalism that existed before this century, before the liberals found out that they, too, could manipulate the
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33 population as well as any conservative.
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34 That's to your credit, Hrothgar. But perhaps you consider yourself the 'laughingstock of my liberal friends'
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35 because you don't check your facts: Reagan was inaugurated January 1981, and as such has been our president 2 years and0mnh.(
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36 traffic controllers. They are attributed by most people to the recent influx of Mariel Cubans inadvertently invited by
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37 Reagan to come to America. Of course, you can certainly blame Reagan for that, if you wish. However, typical liberals
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38 are often criticizing conservatives for 'closing freedom's door' by restricting immigration. In that one isolated
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39 incident, Reagan was more 'liberal' than many liberals I've heard.
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40 Also, it is distoring the issue to blame airline accidents on Reagan and his actions. Airline accidents occur
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41 relatively infrequently, maybe twice a year or a little more. Statistically, the variance in accidents could double the
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42 number of accidents in a year without being significant. (Comparison: The number of auto fatalities is large, around
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43 50,000 per year, and is relatively constant per year.)
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44 And should we blame Reagan for the recession(depression, whatever) that has occurred in the last 3 years? That's a
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45 good question. But first, answer this. At what point does a president (any president) become responsible for the
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46 economy, etc, after he's taken office? Surely not on his second day in office? Or his third? But when? I won't answer
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47 this question, since a person's answer usually depends on whether he likes the current administration. But I sometimes
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48 wonder how much real power an administration has to make things happen/not happen. We all know that the Federal Reservesapwru
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49 know that the Fed has acted unusually independantly of most Presidents. Indeed, much of a President's power is his
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50 ability to push for tax/spending bills (often over the objections of Congress) But this is a slow procedure.
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51 I don't know. But I didn't vote for Reagan. Or Carter. Or Anderson. I voted for someone who WOULD, if elected,
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52 have 'balanced the budget, get the government off the backs of small business'. He might not have had government 'fund
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53 more scientific research', because that isn't the proper function of government.
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54 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Anon::::::::::::::::::
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55 P.S. Upload still doesn't work perfektlee.
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56 To ALL hi
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60 To ALL, Everyone, and especialy YOU, I have a VIC-20 for sale with a
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61 16k ram module with dp/sw and 6 game cartridges. All in new condition
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62 with Programers Reference Guide.
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63 Call 255-0583 after4:00pm, ask for Darrin
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64
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65 --------------------------------HI
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66 THIS IS A FIRST TIME USER HERE AT THIS BOARD AND WANT TO SAY IT IS GREAT.
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67 I'VE READ THE LETTERS BUT NEVER SAID ANYTHING.SO THE FIRST THING I WOULD
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68 LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS THE RAJNEESHIES!!
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69 I MY SELF AM NOT ANY SORT OF RELIGON AND NEVER WILL BE(MOST
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70 LIKELY NEVER WILL BE).
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71 ANY WAY MY THOUGHT ON IT IS SCREW THEN AND GET THEM THE HELL OUT OF HERE!
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72 IT SEEMS THE "GOVERNMENT" IS TO AFRAID OF THEM FOR SOME REASON.
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73 THEY HAVE NO USE TO OREGON AND ARE ONLY STARTING SOMETHING THAT WILL NOT END
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74 FOR A LONG TIME AND NOT WITH OUT A HELL OF A FIGHT!
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75 THE THING THAT SCARES ME IS I DON'T KNOW WHO WILL WIN.
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76 SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AND A HELL OF A LOT OF MY FRIENDS "OVER MY
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77 DEAD BODY"
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78
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79
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80 ----------------------MOSES--------------
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81 END
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82 Hey `ll you doggie `ooerr!
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83 hat do y/u think you are doing??????? Why don't you
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84 go and eat some doggie dung!!
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86 ^^^^^COSMO^^^ Ignoring the previousmessage...
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87 Alright! That's what we need more of- sprited discussion. As I, and
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88 some others around here, are new to this communication medium
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89 , and out of a desire to further explore its potential as a communication
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90 tool, I'd like to initiate lengthly discussion with a couple of thoughts
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91 offered up by some other individuals...
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92 "Whoever in discussion sights authority as supportive evidence uses not
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94
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97 intelligence but memory.
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98
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100 "Opinions are just that."
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107 I fell opinions should be brought ot into the open for discussion and
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108 evaluation lest they assume the form of fact. I get the distinct
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109 impression that it is not possible or people to be truly authoritative
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110 because most issues lie outside ther personal experience.
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111 Let's seek out the opinions of othes, compare them to our own, and
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112 come to some rational consensus regarding our opinions factual base.
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113 For example: I don't like the [ajneeshies, nor do I like organized
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114 religon. I also don't like being told what to believe(in), nor I'm sre
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115 do they. If it weren't for the personal rigths we as a society advocate
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116 I'd force them out of Oregon to somplace like Midway Island. But, would
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117 i be any better then they? Certainly no worse?
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118 I used to consider myself a liberal but I find liberalism more and more
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119 to be a out of step with the times.
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120 Like a pendulum, I think its time fr liberalism to stand down temorarily
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121 while rational and mre conservative methods are ipracticed for the health
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122 of our country. I think it is time for people to concern themselvs
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123 with the nations natural resource clled youth, and stimulating educaton
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124 for said resource. Support your kids curiosity, their education, ther
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125 schools. Provide them exemplary role models, facilitate their learning,
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126 encourage their inquisitivness, make them more accountable for their actions
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127 Support the drive for increased mat and science requirments. Instill in thm
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128 a strong sense of responsibilty. DemonstrAte to them the type of person
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129 you would like them to be. Above al, don't be imposing. Good night.
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130 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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131
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132 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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134 To whomever:
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135 Regarding the UHF Bandit I have made the following observations:
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136 1) He is the only one reporting activiy on channel 61.
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137 2) He declines to indicate the transmission times.
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138 3) He declines to indicate his general location.
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139 4) He declines to indicate the type of programming.
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140 5) Either he is not a regular on BWMS or he declines to identify himself.
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141 In consideration of the above, I have come to the conclusion that he is at-
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142 tempting to administer to us a GQ (Gullibility Quotient) test.
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143
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144 Mikey: Will your modem recieve slower than 300 baud? If so, maybe that
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145 would reduce the errors.
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147 Cosmo: I don't mean to be picky, but it might be easier to keep track of
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148 who's writing what if you signed at the bottom instead of the top.
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149 Anyway, welcome; you have helped to balance the Heathen:Religious Fanatic
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150 ratio. (You too, Moses.)
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151
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152 Anon: Perhaps a pres is not to blame (or credit) for the economy on the
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153 day following his inauguration, but he is most likely responsible for any
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154 significant changes in the TREND of the economy. (I should have said
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155 largely responsible, not completely.) In this light, Reagon's image is not
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156 much improved.
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157
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158 Dirty Ol' Man
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160 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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163 PS to Mikey: Never mind previous question. I tried it at 110 baud;
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164 it didn't work.
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166 Dirty
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168 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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170 ########################################
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171 TO CLARIFY THE LIBERAL VS CONSERVATIVE EXPLANATION ONE SHOULD USE THE ST
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172 STANDARD DEFINITIONS: LIBERAL=PRO LABOR,WORKING CLASS & DISADVANTAGED; CO
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173 CONSERVATIVE=BUSINESS, PROFIT, GET THE GOVERNMENT OFF MY BACK, TO HELL WITH
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174 EVERYONE THAT DOESN'T MAKE HIS OWN WAY WETHER HE/SHE CAN OR NOT.
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175 REAGAN AND HIS WHOLE GANG DEFINATELY FALL INTO THE LATTTER CATAGORY.
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176 AIR SAFETY, AUTO SAFETY, CONSUMER SAFETY AS A WHOLE HAVE DEFINATELY SUFFERED
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177 SINCE DAY ONE OF REAGONS PRESIDENCY. NO ONE ELSE IS TO BLAME! ALL THE GO
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178 GORSICHES,WATTS,HAIGS ETC ARE JUST RUBBER STAMPING WHAT REAGAN STANDS FOR.
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179 I AM THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT CSACARTER WAS NO JEWEL BUT LOOKING BACK THE T
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180 TRACK RECORDS FOR THE LIBERALS IS A HELL OF A LOT BETTER THAN FOR THE CO
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181 CONSERVATIVES.
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182 AS TO THE DEFENSE OF OUR LAND, WITH PEOPLE LIKE THE PRESENT ADMIBIDTINISTRAT
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183 WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING LEFT TO DEFEND.
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184 DEPLEAT ALL OUR RESOURCES, TURN ALL OUR TECHNOLOGY OVERER TO THE JAPANESE,
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185 WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT TO DEFEND? AS FOR THE JAPANESE, WE COULD TAKE SOME L
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186 LESSONS FROM THEM, THEY DON'T RAVAGE THEIR LAND! THEY USE EVERY INCH OF IT
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187 TO IT'T BEST POTENTIAL BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN STRIP MINING ETC. FOR EVERY
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188 ITEM THEY TAKE FROM THE ENVIRONMENT THEY REPLACE IT TO KEEP THE BALANCE, M
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189 MUCH AS OUR OWN NATIVE AMERICANS DID BEFORE WE STOLE THIS LAND FROM THEM.
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190 THE JAPANESE DO WHAT THEY DO BEST, MAKE THE MOST OUT OF THE LEAST FOR THE
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191 MANY, WE USED TO DO THIS BUT NOW WE ARE MAKING THE MOST FOR THE FEW PRI
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192 PRIVELEDGED PEOPLE THAT ARE STRIPPING THIS LAND FOR THEIR OWN POCKETBOOKS.
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193 ONE OF THE BEST EXAMPLES IS THE STEEL INDUSSTRY WHERE THE MANAGEMENT JUST
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194 KEPT PRODUCING AND INVESTING THEIR PROFITS ALL ALL OVER THE PLACE BUT NOT
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195 BACK INTO THE STEEL BUSINESS, THEN THEY COMPLAIN THAT THEY CAN'T MAKE ANY
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196 MONEY COMPETING WITH THE FOREIGN SOURCES.
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197
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198 ################C.Y.M.#############################10/13 6:46AM#############
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199 P.S
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200 MIKEY: ANY CHANCE OF YOUR SYSTEM SUPPORTIN THE DELETE KEY IN MY S OR OTHER
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201 SYSTEMMS?
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202
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203 ########################################################C>Y>M>##############
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206 ANON, I THINK THAT THE MARIEL BOAT-LIFT WAS A CARTER MISTAKE, NOT A REAGAN ONE. IT WAS A SPEECH BY CARTER TO THE
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207 LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS IN TEXAS WHEREIN HE MENTIONED THAT THE U.S. BORDERS WERE STILL OPEN TO ANY AND ALL THAT WANTED
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208 TO COME HERE THAT GAVE CASTRO THE CHANCE TO EMPTY HIS JAILS OF SOME OF HIS WORST PROBLEM OFFENDERS. IT WAS A CYNICAL
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209 (AND SUCCESSFUL) ATTEMPT TO MAKE US LOOK BAD, AND TO SHOW THAT WE REALLY DO NOT TAKE ANY AND ALL WHO WANT TO COME HERE.
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210 ON THE LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE DEBATE, THE CONCEPT OF CONSERVATIVE HAS CHANGED SOMEWHAT OVER THE YEARS. ALONG WITH
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211 THE DEFINITIONS GIVEN ABOVE, THEY WERE NOTED FOR BEING SLOW TO CHANGE ANYTHING, EXAMINING AN ISSUE TO DEATH BEFORE
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213 GOING ALONG (IF THEY DID). THE REAGAN TYPE CONSERVATIVE IS CONSERVATIVE IN ALL WAYS EXCEPT THIS ONE. REAGAN SEEMS TO
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214 THINK VERY LITTLE, LEAVING THAT TO HIS CABINET IF IT INTERFERES WITH WHAT HE IS DOING IN HIS PERSONAL LIFE. AND HE
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215 DEMONSTRATES WHY I AM NOT FOND OF THE ANECDOTE IN ARGUMENT: WITH HIS NATIONAL EXPOSURE, HE CAN USE AN ANECDOTE (OF
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216 DUBIOUS ORIGIN AND TRUTH) TO PROVE SOME OUTLANDISH POINT (SUCH AS TREES THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE POLLUTION THAN
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217 COAL-FIRED POWER PLANTS).
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218 I HAVE FOLLOWED MR. REAGANS CAREER FOR A LONG TIME, AND I SOMETIMES WONDER IF HE REMEMBERS ANYTHING HE HAS DONE.
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219 IT WAS UNDER HIS GOVERNORSHIP THAT THE TAXES IN CALIFORNIA INCREASED AT SUCH A DRAMATIC RATE AND EVENTUALLY BROUGHT
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220 ABOUT PROPOSITION 13. IT WAS HIS LITTLE ADMINISTRATION THAT DESTROYED THE TAX BASE FOR THE SCHOOLS, EVENTUALLY
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221 TURNING A STATE THAT WAS #1 IN LEARNING IN BOTH PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION INTO ONE THAT WASN'T EVEN IN THE TOP
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222 20. AND DURING HIS TENURE THERE, HIS STANDS ON FOREIGN POLICY WERE A JOKE, AS HE ADVOCATED INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES
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223 ON 12 OCCASIONS. I ASSUME THAT THIS WAS JUST RHETORIC, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK HE IS THAT STUPID, BUT IT IS THE KIND OF
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224 THING THAT CAN MAKE ONE NERVOUS.
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225 ONE CAN GO ON FOREVER ON THIS, WITH COMMENTS ABOUT HIS APPOINTING PEOPLE TO HEAD DEPARTMENTS WHO ARE HOSTILE TO
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226 THE VERY PURPOSE OF THE DEPARTMENT, HIS OFFENDING OUR ALLIES WHENEVER POSSIBLE, APPOINTING COMMISIONS TO STUDY PROBLEMS
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227 AND THEN ONLY ACCEPTING THEIR REPORT IF IT AGREES WITH HIS OWN PRECONCEPTIONS, ETC., ETC., BUT WHEN IT IS ALL SAID,
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228 WE STILL HAVE HIM FOR OVER A YEAR. URP, PASS ME THE ALKA-SELZER......
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229 [][][][][][][][][][][]PAM-[][][][][][][]
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231 HOPEFULLY THERE WON'T BE ANOTHE 4 YRS OF REAGAN AND HIS ILK, IF SO THEN WE'LL ALL NEED MORE THAN ALKA-SELTZER.: LOOKING BACK ON
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232 THE LAST REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS, IT SEEMS STRANGE THAT EACH HAS PERCIPITATED A RECESSION AND/OR DEPRESSION GOING BACK TO HOOVER.
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233 WE HAD IT WITH IKE, NIXON, FORD (ALTHOUGH HIS WAS INHERITED FROM THE CROOK BEFORE HIM, AND NOW REAGAN. WHEN WILL THE AMERICAN
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234 PEOPLE GET SOME SMARTS? GUESS IT'S A LITTLE LIKE BANGING ONES HEAD AGAINST A BRICK WALL,
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235 SURE FEELS GOOD WHEN YOU STOP. GUESS WE NEED A FEW LUMPS IN ORDER TO APPRECIATE WHAT WE HAVE.
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236
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237 #################C.Y.M.################################10/12 2:51PM#############
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238 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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239 Re: The UHF Bandit
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240 I believe he's one of the systops for the Corkboard BBS. As for Channel 61,
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241 I can receive it faintly (from NE Portland). It's a religious/Moral Majority
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242 type station. Not really worth the effort unless you're into that sort of
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243 thing.
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244 Warner
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245 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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246
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247 RE: LIBERAL VS. CONSERVATIVE
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248 I AM SOMEWHAT CONSERVATIVE IN MY POLICIES FINACIALLY, AND YET BY PARTY I AM A LEBERTARIAN. GET THE GOVERNMENT
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249 OFF OF OUR BACK IS THE MAJOR TENET OF LIBERTARIANISM. IF WE COULD, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A LIBERTARIAN
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250 WORLD GOVERNMENT, IE. NO NEED FOR WARS, JUST PERSONAL FREEDOM. SINCE THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE, I FEEL THAT A STRONG
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251 MILITARY IS MANDATORY, IN ORDER TO PRESERVE FREEDOM IN WHAT SMALL WAY WE HAVE IT.
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252
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253 I HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE STATEMENT THAT PEOPLE SHOULD 'MAKE IT THEMSELVES, WHETHER THEY CAN OR NOT'
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254 FURTHER UP THE BOARD. LOOK AT THE EXAMPLES AROUND US, MARTIN LUTHER KING, HELEN KELLER, STEVIE WONDER ...
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255 THESE ARE ALL PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE THOUGHT TO BE AMONG THOSE WHO 'CANNOT MAKE IT', YET EACH IS A STORY OF
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256 PERSONAL TRIUMPH OVER ODDS. THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IN THE FIELD OF PSYCHOLOGISTS IS THAT AN AVERAGE HUMAN
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257 USES LESS THAN 10 % OF HER/HIS BRAIN CAPACITY. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR FAILURE, THE ONLY REAL REASON FOR
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258 FAILURE IS GIVEN (AND YOU FIND TRUTH IN THE STRANGEST PLACES) IN THE MOVIE ROCKY III, WHEN ROCKY TELLS
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259 PAULY THAT HE IS A NO GOOD BUM, AND THINKS THE WORLD OWES HIM A LIVING. THAT IS NOT AN EXCUSE, NOT ONE
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260 PERSON IS BEYOND THE CAPABILITY TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS/HER ACTIONS. I SAY NO TO WELFARE, BUT YES
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261 TO WORKFARE AND RETRAINING PROGRAMS, TO BE PAID BACK. THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON THE BASIS OF FREEDOM,
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262 PERSONAL FREEDOM. THAT FREEDOM GIVES US THE POWER TO SUCCEED OR TO FAIL, AND THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT HAVE THE
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263 RIGHT TO TAKE EITHER OF THOSE FREEDOMS AWAY, AND IT CANNOT TAKE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.
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264
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265 (AN INTERESTING POINT, AND SHAMES THE MEMORY OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, IS THAT FREEDOM WAS PROCLAIMED FOR
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266 WHITE MALES, ABOVE AGE 21, WHO OWNED REAL PROPERTY. SAD BUT TRUE. SOME THINGS MUST CHANGE, BUT NOT THE
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267 ORIGINAL GIFT.)
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268
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269 I DID NOT HAVE THE OPORTUNITY TO FIGHT FOR MY COUNTRY IN WAR, BUT I MOST CERTAINLY WILL FIGHT IN PEACE AND FROM WITHIN.
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271 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][
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273 FIRST POINT: SUPPORTING THE "POOR" OR ANY OTHER GROUP IS FINE.....
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274 AS LONG AS THE SUPPORT LEVEL REQUIRED DOESN'T PENALIZE THE PEOPLE
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275 DEFINED AS THE SUPPORTERS.
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277 SECOND POINT: SOCIAL SERVICES TAKE (BY THE GOVERNMENT'S OWN ACCOUNTING)
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278 50% OF THE TAXES COLLECTED. THAT'S THE 50% I WANT TO STOP PAYING.
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279
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280 THIRD POINT: DID YOU EVER NOTICE THAT MOST OF THE ABORTION LAWS ARE
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281 PROPOSED, BROUGHT TO A VOTE, AND PASSED BY MEN. WHAT A JOKE!
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283 FOURTH POINT: CRIME IN THE STREETS WOULD BE VERY MUCH LESS IF WE ALL
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284 USED DEADLY FORCE TO DEFEND.
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287 **************BLIND SCREAMING RED NECK********************************
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288 Cmon, CYM, you are ready to blame republicans for any recession at all. What we now tend to forget is the time during
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289 the 70's with inflation of >10%. What caused this? Well, partly the oil embargo, but inflation soared during the
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290 early seventies too, far greater than the 1-2% usual during the sixties. This, as nearly all economists will
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291 admit, was due to the costs of the Vietnam war, because the government was unwilling to raise taxes sufficiently to pay
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292 for it. (Regardless of what you think of the war, it was expensive). And Nixon, while he didn't stop the war as fast
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293 as most of us liked, (as far as I know) we had already reached a peak number of soldiers in Vietnam by the end of
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294 the Johnson administration! So much of the double-digit inflation of the seventies, and its corresponding recession, was
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295 actually due to the Democrats!
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296 And what with the oil embargo/shock causing a tremendous upheaval in the cost of living/doing business, it is
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297 unfair to say that the guy who happened to be president at that time should be saddled with the full blame.
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298 We were headed into the current recession when Carter left office. While we may speculate on the possibility that
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299 it wouldn't have lasted as long as it did had Reagan done something differently, or might have been less severe, I still
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300 people wondering if we would EVER return to the days of 5% inflation.
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301 Anyway, it seems certain that whatever mistakes Reagan makes today will be blamed on whichever president is elected
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302 for the 1985-1989 term (perhaps Reagan himself.) The economy is like a ocean liner, steered by three oars: one held
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303 by the president, one held by the Congress, and one held by the Federal Reserve. Things happen very slowly, and when they do
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304 (especially if they're bad) the president is the main one getting the blame!
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305 Recovery from this recession could have been botched if the Fed had raised the money supply too fast: Three years down the
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306 road, tremendous inflation, etc. But for the short-term, everything would have looked rosy. If you are willing to trade
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307 long-term security for short-term political gains, that's what you would get.
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308 =================================================== Anon ====================
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309 ########################################
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310 IT'S A LOT EASIER TO EAT WHEN ONE HAS A JOB AND MONEY COMING IN EVEN WITH INFLATION.
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311 WHO CAN LIVE ON CHEESE HANDOUTS NO MATTER HOW LOW THE COST OF LIVING INDEX IS.
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312 YES, "ANON" I CAN AND DO BLAME THE RECESSION ON REAGAN. HE WAS GIVEN MORE THAN HIS SHARE OF SUPPORT BY THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE
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313 WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE. THEY WENT ALONG WITH HIS POLICIES HOPING THEY WOULD WORK.
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314 OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVE'NT! THERE IS STILL ABOUT 11% UNEMPLOYMENT IN SPITE OF THE PHONY GOVERNMENT FIGURES THAT DON'T TAKE IN ALL
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315 THOSE THAT HAVE GIVEN UP.
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316 ON THE OTHER SUBJECT, THERE ARE PROBABLY 200,000 PERSONS OUT THERE FOR EVERY EXCEPTIONAL HELLEN KELLER, MARTIN LUTHER KING, ETC
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317 THAT IS A VERY BAD EXAMPLE OF BEING ABLE TO DO FOR ONESELF. AS FOR THE MOVIE ROCKIE, YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING QUOTING THAT JERK
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319 ################C.Y.M.#################################10/12 6:27PM#############
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320 CYM: I hate to tell you this but trees ARE a major contributor to
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321 air pollution (if you figure total tonnage, NOT concentration). Also, YOU have to be kidding when you say that the House & Sena
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322 supported Reagan's policies. They did so ONLY when it didn't conflict
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323 with their own policies. Finally, I once saw a chart comparing
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324 (by inflation rate, I believe) all the adminstrations this century.
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325 It had them broken down into 4 categories, Republican president-
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326 Republican Congress, Republican president-Democratic Congress,
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327 Democratic president-Democratic Congress, & Democratic president-
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328 Republican Congress. The rate seemed to be more dependant on Congress
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329 than the president, but (as I recall) things were "better" when
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330 congress & the president were of different parties & "best" when
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331 we had a Republican president & a Democratic congress. Maybe we
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332 should get rid of the Republicans in Congress?
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333
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334 Cosmo: I wish you hadn't mentioned that bit with the sounding rocket.
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335 That is NOT the kind of info that needs to be spread around.
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336 You also underestimate the effects. The satellite will be moving at
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337 AT LEAST 5 miles per second relative to those nails. They won't
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338 merely "remove all external protuberances", ONE NAIL would destroy
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339 a medium size satellite! (and it would probably be hit by several)
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340 One reason we don't need this to be spread around is because the
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341 John Birch Society (or some other group of "right wing" radicals)
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342 could "shoot down" the Soviet space station for about $10,000. Or
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343 someone who disliked us (or at least the space program) could
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344 shoot down a shuttle just as cheaply.
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345 Do you REALLY want to spread that kind of info around?
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346 _________________________Leonard________________________________
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347 IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME WHAT EVER PARTY WE HAVE IN OFFICE THERE WELL BE A PRETTY GOOD AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WON'T LIKE IT.
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348 SOME ONE ANSWER ME THIS WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME 80 OR MORE LIKE THE PARTY IN OFFICE? (AND IF THEY CAN'T WHY NOT)
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349 MOSES
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350 -----------------PS----------------
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351 ANY HELP FOR A FELLOW ZORKER?
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353 ########################################
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354 LEONARD: YOU ARE READING THE WRONG ITEMS ATTRIBUTING THEM TO ME. I MADE NO
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355 MENTIUION OF THE TREE VS COAL. THAT WAS SOMEONE ELSE.
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356 YOU COMPLETELY MISS THE POINT ABOUT INFLATION REGARDLESS OF WHO'S IN OFFICE, IT
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357 IS BETTER TO HAVE INFLATION WITH A JOB TO BUY INFLATED ITEMS WITH THAN NO INFLAT
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358 ION AND NO WAY OF BUYING ANYTHING. SURE INFLATION HURTS, BUT STARVATION IS FINAL
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359 ###############C.Y.M.################################10/12 10:34 PM#############
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365 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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366
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367 Reading tonight's conversations was enjoyable./
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368 As for politics, during its long an necessary history it has always been an unexact science.
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369 There are just too many variables to attempt to control to everyone's satisfaction.
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370 It is, i feel, too much to expect o any person, not so different fromyou or me, to be the 'magician'
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371 we expect our presidents to be.
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372
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373 ]hat they adequately manage the beast called public beuracracy is as much as we can reasonably expect. I think Reagan lives up
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374 to these citeria, as i felt Carter attempted to. Perhaps it can be summed up in the quote-
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375 "Democracy operates on the assumtion that more than half of th people are right more tan half the time."
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376
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377 leanord: Your assessment of the impact effects of nails and spacecrft at high relative speeds is quite accurrate. Your
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378 concerns regarding public informatin is honorable but misguided. Ignorane and lack of understanding and comprehension are
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379 far more serious dangers.
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380 The conceptual formulation of space confrontation is already a well-establish
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381 practice. You must understand its implications if you are to accurately assess its
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382 potentials. As the enviornment of space becomes more ad more a part of our natural habitat, we will be confronted with many
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383 new contributions to both stability and instabilty. Consider the implication of the electromagnetic mass-launcher.
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384 As part ao a forseeable future's lunar colony, a mass launchers intended function is to accelerate large quantities of raw
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385 lunar crustal material to lunar escape velocity on a trajectory
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386 which would delivery it to a space-based ore refining facility. Opporating under the well established laws of Newtonian
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387 physics, these 'projectiles can be aimed with unerroriing accuraccies.
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388 (unerroring?!) Consider the potenial of such a mass launcher...to deliver multi-ton projectiles , at speeds in excess of
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389 7 miles per second, along random trajectories, to any point of the surface of the earth and with energies in excess of the
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390 soviet 100-megaton'er. To argue that we should not become informed with regards to its 'evil' pottential, is to remove the
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391 potential for corresponding checks and balances necessary to its morally correct operation... and the should, could, and i
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392 feel, must be built... For peace.
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393
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394 How else can we make informed, reasoned decisions about issues which effect our survival?
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395 }ood night.
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396 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ COSMO ^^^^^^^^^^
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397 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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398 LEONARD, CYM IS RIGHT, IT WASN'T HE WHO MENTIONED THE TREES, IT WAS ME, AND I STAND BY WHAT I SAID. AS FAR AS THE
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399 COMPARISON OF THE TOTAL TONNAGE TO THE ABSOLUTE CONCENTRATION, YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT THE CONCENTRATION IS WHAT IS
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400 IMPORTANT IN THE ISSUE, AND COAL-FIRED POWER PLANTS PRODUCE CONCENTRATIONS THAT ARE REDICULOUSLY HIGH. AND WE MUST
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401 DECIDE WHAT WE MEAN BY "POLLUTION". IF YOU MEAN COMPOUNDS OF HYDROCARBONS, THEN YOU ARE RIGHT AGAIN. BUT THE FORMS OF
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402 HYDROCARBONS PRODUCED BY TREES CAN BE REUSED BY OTHER PLANTS, AND ARE GREAT FERTILIZERS WHEN PRECIPITATED BY RAIN.
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403 THE SAME CAN'T BE SAID OF SULFER DIOXIDE, HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF OZONE, BENZENE, OR CARBON MONOXIDE, NONE OF WHICH
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404 TREES PRODUCE IN GREAT QUANTITIES OR AT ALL. LARRY SPEAKES, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE DEPARTMENT OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT MEANT
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405 TO SAY, REFERRED TO THE COMMENT AS "JUST A SILLY MISTAKE, HE WAS MIS-INFORMED", AND HE DEFINATELY WAS. THE ATMOSPHERE
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406 CAN DEAL WITH LOCAL AND SMALL AMOUNTS OF THESE POLLUTIONS, BUT HAS A HARD TIME WITH MASSIVE CONCENTRATIONS.
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407 ON THE QUESTION OF WHETHER REAGAN GOT WHAT HE WANTED, I THINK THAT IF YOU REVIEW THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD FOR THE
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408 PERIOD COVERING THE 1st YEAR AND A HALF OF HIS TERM, YOU WILL FIND THAT HE DID NOT LOSE THE FINAL VOTE ON ANY ISSUE HE
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409 HAD SPONSORED. AND ALL OF HIS POLITICAL APPOINTEES WERE CONFIRMED BY CONGRESS, EVEN THE INCOMPETANTS AND GOOF-BALLS.
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410 THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE RECORD OF CONGRESSIONAL COMPLIANCE, ONE THAT HASN'T BEEN SEEN IN A LONG TIME, AND NEVER IN MY
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411 MEMORY DURING AN ADMINISTRATION WITH A CONGRESS CONTROLED BY HIS "OPPOSITION". SO WHILE I MIGHT AGREE THAT IT IS TOO
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412 SOON TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON HIS REIGN, I DON'T AGREE THAT HE HASN'T GOTTEN JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING HE WANTED. FOR A LONG
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413 TIME, PEOPLE BELIEVED THAT HE HAD A "MANDATE" TO INITIATE MASSIVE CHANGE, BUT THE ONLY MANDATE HE HAD WAS TO REPLACE
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414 THE CARTER ADMINISTRATION.
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415 [][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM-[][][][][][]
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416 You seem to have a much higher opinion of politicians than I do. Their
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417 value is meager at best, their harm great.
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418 The reason the economy did better when the pres and congress were at ods
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419 is very simple:they didn't do anything then. In any case, comparing the
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420 economy against US politics involves leaving out over half of the problem:
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421 the rest of the world. Depressions hve usually hit the outside world harder
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422 and earlier than the US (our strong, varied economy protects us), and then
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423 the US is dragged in. We usually recover faster. I suspect the only thing
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424 a politician can do to affect the economy is support or damage trust.
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425 The oeconomy runs on private investment and no investor is willing to put
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426 money on the line when the "government" (politicians) are playing games
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427 that might shoot him down, like raise the taxes abruptly. Stability is
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428 worth it's weight in gold, and then some, even if it is expensive we can
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429 live with it. I doubt that even 4 years is enough to have real effect,
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430 other than shock value.
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431 /////////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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432
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433 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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434
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435 BAD: WHY MUST YOU ALWAYS LEAVE THE @#%?! MARGIN AT 7?????
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436
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437 Leonard: I doubt that anyone with an inclination to wipe out a sattelite
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438 is incapable of figuring out for himself how to accomplish this ob-
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439 jective. Do you really think Cosmo has condemned the world to inevitable
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440 oblivion?
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441
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442 Cosmo: I question whether such a device would be capable of propelling
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443 to escape velocity a mass sufficient enough to survive entry into and de-
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444 scent through the earth's atmosphere without vaporizing. Is my skepti-
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445 cism unwarranted or have I misunderstood your statement?
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446
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447 CYM & PAM: Touche'!
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448
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449 Dirty Ol' Man
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450
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451 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~
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452
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453 ***********************************************
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454 DOM~ : RIGHT, 300 BAUD ONLY...
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455 C.Y.M : YES, THE DELETE KEY IS SUPPORTED. SEE THE RUBOUT DESCRIPTION IN
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456 THE HELP LISTING. IT WAS MENT FOR USE WITH PRINTING TERMINALS RATHER THEN
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457 VIDEO TERMINALS, BUT IT DOES WORK.
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458 PAM! : WELCOME BACK! I THOUGHT MAYBE WE LOST YOU IT'S BEEN AWHILE SINCE
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459 YOU'VE MADE ANY COMMENT.
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460 BAD : I AGREE WITH YOUR VIEW ON ECONOMIC STABILITY.
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461 ANON : YES, DOWN LOAD CAN BE DONE, BUT IT IS RATHER TOUCHY. BE SURE YOU HAVE
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462 THE MARGIN SET TO A LENGTH LONGER THEN THE LINES YOU ARE SENDING. ALSO,
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463 BWMS NEEDS ABOUT A SECOND AFTER EACH LINE YOU SEND TO PROCESS IT. BEFORE
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464 IT WILL ACCEPT MORE DATA. (IF YOU SEND ANY IT WILL BE IGNORED.) THIS TIME
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465 IS VARIABLE FROM 0 TO ONE SECOND, BUT IF YOU GIVE IT A SECOND ALL WILL BE
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466 FINE. FINALLY, IF YOU HAVE A POOR GRADE PHONE LINE, YOU MAY HAVE TO SLOW
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467 DOWN THE TRANSMISSION (USUALLY DONE BY WAITING FOR THE CHARACTER YOU SENT
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468 TO BE RETURNED TO YOU.) SO THAT THE RETURNING CHARACTERS BEING SENT BY
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469 BWMS DON'T COLIDE WITH THE ONES YOU ARE SENDING AND DISRUPTING THE WHOLE
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470 MESS. NOTE: FOR HIGH SPEED TRANSMISSION YOU CAN JUST WAIT FOR THE CHARACTERS
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471 YOU SEND TO BE RETURNED TO YOU AND BWMS WILL TAKE CARE OF THE TIMEING FOR
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472 YOU. BUT REMEMBER THAT BWMS WILL SEND A CARRAGE RETURN, LINE FEED, CARRAGE
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473 RETURN BACK TO YOU FOR EACH SINGLE CARRAGE RETURN YOU SEND.
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474 ********* CISTOP MIKEY **** 9:00AM ********** 13 OCT 83 *******************
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475 DOM: The nails don't have to reach escape velocity or even orbital
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476 velocity. The idea is that you launch at the right time & fling this
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477 mess up in front of your target. The timing is very important
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478 (and probably capable of being handled by a good calculator)
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479 as this stuff ISN'T going to be at "peak" altitude very long.
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480 I know that the info is readily available, but most of those
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481 nut cases may not be aware that this is even POSSIBLE, thus
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482 they wouldn't look for it. I just wish that CYM had merely stated
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483 that a low orbit satellite could be knocked down cheaply, rather
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484 than going into details. (I know, just count this as a "pious wish"
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485 on my part). This sort of thing bothers me a little, I know that
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486 it wouldn't do any good to supress the information. I just don't
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487 like having attention called to it. I thought the attempts to control
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488 access to Chemistry texts in libraries (in the late 60s) were silly
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489 and useless, but I don't think too much of the "Anarchist's Cookbook"
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490 either. (speaking of which, DON'T use ANYTHING in ANY edition
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491 without trying to get it checked by a trustworthy chemist! There
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492 are omissions that can get you killed, or worse yet, half-kill you!!)
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493
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494 Anyway, just use some simple physics to figure out what
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495 it would take to get a single stage rocket to a peak altitude of
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496 say 200 miles. If you need any of the simpler rocketry equations,
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497 I can probably supply them for you.
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498 ____________________________Leonard__________________________
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499 ########################################
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500 LEONARD: YOU DID IT AGAIN, YOU ARE ATTRIBUTING OTHERS WRITINGS TO ME. IT WAS
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501 NOT I THAT WAS IN THE DEMOLITION DERBY DISCUS&ION BUT "COSMO": I WOULDN'T BE
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502 SO BRAVE AS TO VENTURE AN OPPINION IN THAT FIELD. SCIENCE IS NOT MY CUP OF
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503 TEA. RELIGION AND POLITICS ARE MY BAGG. I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT THIS KEYBOARD I
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504 IN FRONT OF ME IS INTIMIDATING. I HAVE READ MICKEYS INSTRUCTIONS (HELP FUNCT
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505 ) MANY TIMES AND STILL CAN'T FIGURE OUT FOHOW TO EDIT MY MESSAGES, THEREFOR
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506 THE ERRORS IN MY SPELLING, IT'S REALLY FRUSTRATION @PERSONIFIED TO GO BACK
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507 AND SEE ALL THE TYPOS, ESPECIALLY FOR ONE WITH A MASTERS IN ENGLISH LIT &
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508 POLITICAL SCIENCE.
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511 CYM: as an example of editing, in your line 506 you have a typo "@PERSONIFIED" that can be changed by the command
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512 CH / @PERSONIFIED/ PERSONIFIED
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513 when you are at that line (type LN 506 for that line first). It will magically change!
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514 Or, you could replace the whole line by typing REPLACE when at that line. BWMS will type the line back to you and
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515 ask if you want to change it. Just type "Y", and it will ask for the new line.
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516 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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517
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518 AS I SAID, TRUTH IS FOUND IN THE STRANGEST PLACES, EVEN IN POLITICAL DIALOGUE.
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519 I STILL FEEL THAT THE ONLY REASON FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE IT IS LAZINESS. IF A PERSON IS MENTALLY
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520 INCAPACITATED THEN THAT, IN MY OPINION, QUALIFIES AS AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. ONE SHOULD NOT,
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521 HOWEVER, ASSUME A CERTAIN LEVEL OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR ANOTHER PERSON. THERE HAVE BEEN MANY CASES OF
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522 'INCAPACITATED' PEOPLE ASTONISHING DOCTORS AND RESEARCHERS WITH THEIR LEARNING ABILITY. THE MAIN REASON
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523 CITED FOR THESE 'MIRACLES' WAS THE EXPECTATIONS PLACED ON THE SUBJECTS BY THE RESEARCHERS. A POSITIVE
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524 ATTITUDE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
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525 A TRITE SAYING PERHAPS, BUT QUITE TRUE 'WHETHER YOU THINK THAT YOU CAN OR YOU CANNOT, YOU ARE RIGHT.'
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527 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]
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528 Yes, and for every case of someone overcoming huge handicaps and achieving greatness, there are thousands that don't.
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529 A positive attitude is very important, but it usually is better to be lucky than good. I don't care what you do or
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530 how good you are, if you don't get the breaks, or if you've made it onto someones "bad" list, success will never come.
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531 And opportunity is also important. If the opportunities aren't there, you will fail. The attitude DJJ expresses is
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532 more like something Walt Disney would say, and it is trite. When you wish upon a star........
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537 Hmmm...
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538 ?? << IT IS BETTER TO HAVE INFLATION WITH A EMPLOYMENT THAN NO INFLATION
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539 THOUT >> ???
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540
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541 self-serving view.
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542 ondem an entire nation to the ravages of inflation in order that
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543
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544 marginaly sucessfull segments of society may maintain their
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545 extended life styles ......
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546
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547 Sheer rubbish!
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548 flation is the most democratic of all theives it steals from both
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549 & poor alike and hs no ethnic preference
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550 SHOULD BE ACKNOWL
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553
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554 GENTALMEN,I FEEL IT NESSISARY TO WARN YOU ALL THAT I HAVE BEEN READING THIS THING FOR
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557 A GOOD AMT. OF TIME,THIS BEING THE FIRST MESSAGE I HAVE LEFT YOU PROBABLY HAVE NOT SEEN
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558 MY NAME BEFORE. AS NORMAL I SHALL ENJOY WHATEVER IS THE CURRENT DISCUSION AND LEAVE
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559 WHATEVER TIDBITS I CAN.
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560
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561 HELLO TO THE MAN FROM THE LAND OF EAST.
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562 DIGITALY,
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563 NICHOLAS J.HAFLINGER
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564
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565 CONSERVATIVES WANT THINGS AS THEY WERE
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566 IT JUST CAN'T BE. WE ARE ALREADY IN THE FUTURE. LIBERALS LOOK TOWARD CHANGE
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567 AND BECAUSE THEY DO THEY ARE INHERENTLY THE
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568 MORE SUCCESSFUL ANIMAL. CONSERVATISM=NO GROWTH. LIBERALISM=CHANGE=THE FUTURE=GR
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569 GROWTH.
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570 LETS LEAVE THE RAJNISHERS ALONE IN THE DESERT TO MAKE IT BLOOM.
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571 WHY DO WE OREGONIANS FEEL A NEED TO BE
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572 SO PARANIOD, LEAVE THAT TO THE WIERD
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573 ONES IN L.A.,D.C.,N.Y. ETC.
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574 ^^^ RUSTY ^^^
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575
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576 to:rusty
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577 fm:The Mad Oregonian
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578 sj:Rajneeshies
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580 As a lifetime Oregonian, I feel that those perverts should go
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581 weirdos are. They are violating the 1st ammendment and should
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582 be sent to the moon!!
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583
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584 Why don't you just go and live with them for a while and then
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585 we shall see what you say about them.
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586 -------------M.O.-------------
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587 To:Sheila Silverman (alias Ma Sheila)
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588 sj: Your ear
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589
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590 Stick it in your ear baby!!
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591 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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592 Somehow, i don't belive that the opn discussion of celestial destruction derby's can be any more damaging to our nation/
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593
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594 society than the open discussion of politcal discontent ( bordering on the just-plain/nasty) and sayingthings that Khomani
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595 types might take personal affront to(remember the crusades?).
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596
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597 It strikes me that amongst a random sampling of our nations population (this bulletin board) we seem to disagree about
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598 most anything/everything. Extrapolate to the meeting halls ofthe governing 'instruments'
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599 and you can see why politics & religion/ what-have-you, muddles
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600 along as they do. Put in their poistion would we perform any better?
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601
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602 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^COSMO ^^^^^^^^^^
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603
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604 No, but wouldn't it be fun to be paid
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605 That much to argue?
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607 LUCK IS A FIGMENT OF THOSE FOLKS WHO LIKE TO PLACE BLAME EVERYWHERE BUT ON THEMSELVES. ASK ANY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS PERSON,
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608 AND YOU WILL FIND THAT LUCK IS TERRIFIC, AS LONG AS YOU CONSIDER HARD WROK AND EFFORT THE EQUVALENT OF LUCK.
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609
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610 Yes, I would love to get paid for arguing.
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612 LIBERALISM IS MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE SHARES EQUALLY IN THE SHORT END OF THE STICK.
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613 CONSERVATISM IS THE BUSINESS OF MAKING LARGER STICKS.
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617 AND THEN KEEPING THE STICKS FOR THEMSELVES, OR HITTING EVERYONE OVER THE HEAD WITH THEM.
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