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Copyright (C) 1993 LOD Communications. No part of this Work may be
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1/31: This sub.
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Wed Jan 24 19:50:44 1990
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This sub is for the discussion of Internet. Enjoy...
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Mentor
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2/31: people say...
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Wed Jan 24 20:30:42 1990
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It was stupid of the 'folks' that designed internet were stupid... But, As I
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believe, it was NEVER meant to be secure by ANY means... The security should
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be handled by the individual systems. From what I see, the main reason that
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I-net is so insecure is because the sysadmins are careless and lazy (I wont
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say stupid, because you can't be stupid to run a Unix system, just ignorant
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and lazy)... If they restricted access to I-net it might make it more secure,
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but then that would defeat the whole purpose of I-net... People also say it
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was stupid to implement the TFTP protocol, when actually, this was meant so
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that people could set up a "diskless" system and transfer the OS to it during
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boot time... The programmers might've made some mistakes while implementing
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it, but it was DEFINETLY NOT stupid! I very much doubt it would be in so many
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different versions of Unix if it was stupid!
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DS
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3/31: I plan to talk alot on this baord..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Wed Jan 24 21:34:07 1990
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problem with the internet as i see it..
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On any interactivenetwork <as the internet>, in which various systems are
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"trusted hosts" o other systems... you are going to have the ollowing problem
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you can have 100 systems on a network, and 99 o them can be totally
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unhackable..
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all you need is to get into that one, and then getting in to the other 99 is
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dead easy..!
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To make lie easier or users, alovely set of r <remote> commands were created..
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which let you manipulate things on remote hots or your system...
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you can practically do everything you can do had you logged into the system,
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without logging in..
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not to mention the 1000's o bugs in both the internet and the machines and
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their networking capabilities in general..
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<as some bbs users know! ahem..>
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I still look it it like one big playground... :-)
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Phoenix
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<you can do some real interesting things to a sun by playing with the limiting
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commands!>
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4/31: pseudo internet question
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Name: Guc #97
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Date: Wed Jan 24 22:33:15 1990
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does anyone know of any public access unix sites that i can connect to using
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tcp/ip? i'd like something legal.
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.s
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5/31: well..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Jan 25 07:29:46 1990
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most universities/colleges do..if you go to one of them...
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else.. i dont know.. i have never looked at it from thsat point of view :-)
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Phoenix
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6/31: internet
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Thu Jan 25 23:51:20 1990
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well...this may seem kinda ignorant...but I'm afraid I've never used
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internet... how the hell do you get access to it? Through unix you say...so
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ANY unix acct will hook into internet...or what..
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.s
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7/31: well
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Name: Guc #97
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Date: Fri Jan 26 06:20:08 1990
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ut will sell if accounts $5, w/ free cpu time and dirtcheap printing, but the
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only catch is having to be a ut student w/ id. i had one before which i got a
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friend of mine (who was a student) to get for me, but someone decided to narc
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on my and tell the system admins what i did. <how they knew is beyond me>
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i heard somewhere <have not verified this yet> that ut has some stupid evening
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classes that ANYONE can get into for like $45. and you get a regular student
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id. going to look into that today, if anyone wants to know if it works let me
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know.
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but assuming the above trick won't work, i'd like to get an account somewhere
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that is 100% legal. <ie: not someone elses account>
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.s
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8/31: internet
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Name: Guc #97
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Date: Fri Jan 26 06:29:33 1990
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the one i'm talking about is the network that connects thousands of university
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and other type computers together. the nice thing about it is that you could
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say have a unix account at MIT, you could call up UT and without any password
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connect to the site at MIT and login login with your account.
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hopefully someone will give a more in-depth description.
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oh and for those of you who enjoy using such things, try telneting to
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quartz.rutgers.edu and login as `bbs' <no passwd>. it has irc, tinymud, and
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tiny hell built into one account. kinda fun when you're totally bored.
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.s
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9/31: Telneting
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Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28
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Date: Fri Jan 26 08:15:28 1990
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I may be in the dark [again, blasphamy?!] but could you explain how one
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would "telnet" to quartz.rutgers.edu?
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What exactly is telnet'ing?
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Sic.
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10/31: ut accounts
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Fri Jan 26 12:28:18 1990
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are open to the public, it is a state school and anyone can get an account
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on the machines. just like anyone can get a ut library card for $18/yr.
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11/31: ...
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Name: Guc #97
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Date: Fri Jan 26 15:36:57 1990
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...then how come unix consulting said that you "must be a ut student with a
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current ut id."???
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.s
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12/31: UT UNIX
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 26 17:28:30 1990
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For Joe Average to get an account at UT it will cost 100/CPU hour. Kind of
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steep...but this will give you an account on EMX.
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For a student, you can pay a flat fee of 5 dollars (towards the cost of any
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printing you may do) and you will get an account on one of the Sun systems.
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This is what most students have done, as most of us don't have 100 bucks to
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blow! I don't even know how much time elapses in a cpu hour!
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There are a couple of public access unixes here in austin that allow for
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Bitnet mail, and Usenet...I doubt they will let you telnet around the internet
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though..
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->ME
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13/31: CPU hour
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Fri Jan 26 20:45:30 1990
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well, the student is limited to like .05 cpu hours max on a single process on
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EMX.... There are NO austin public access unix systems that are even hooked
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into I-net let alone letting you telnet between 'em.... Anyone know of any
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x.25 unixs off inet that you can get an account on?
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DS
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14/31: yeah
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Name: Guc #97
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Date: Sat Jan 27 00:33:25 1990
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it sucks down here. there are 2 pubnix sites, rpp386 <832-8835> and bigtex
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<346-2339>. You can't connect to either using tcp/ip and for the most part
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they only allow uucp logins.
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as for mail, i've know of *one* place to send internet mail from for free, and
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its okay, but its single line and has to go through pnet01 and cts.com before
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the mail even gets outside. plus it only polls for mail during pc pursuit
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hours. with all this factored together it ends up taking about 2 days to send
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to like mit.edu, and for comparison purposes (even though i know this is an
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extreme> i sent a 180line file from the if machines at ut to mit, and it took
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less than 10 minutes...
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as soon as i go to compuadd and pick up a new power supply, I'll sit down and
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read these uucp docs so i can get my own site up...
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.s
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15/31: well.
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sat Jan 27 07:38:03 1990
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ok.. the reason you can login into a system from a differnet system is as
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follows
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if on the system you are calling, there exists in your directory a file called
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.rhosts, and it has the name of the system you want to xcall form in it...
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you are then able to use the rlogin command <also provided that the system you
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are calling from is in hosts.equiv and hosts on the remote system>
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umm.. a cpu hour takes a hell of a long time..
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i have just discovered that my univerwsity down here charge 20 dollars a cpu
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hour.. and i have used that system lots in the last year..
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still havent been charged more than 16 cents or something..
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Telneting is the internet equivelant of padding around the PSN.
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it is extermely quick, and basically craps all over psn <i wonder why...? :-)
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hmm.. i wonder if quartz.rutgers.edu will consider giving out source for that
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bbs... then again they may have no choice :-)
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hehe..
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Phoenix
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<only reason i stopped putting flatline here is coz my damn f key dont work..>
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16/31: i think
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Name: Guc #97
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Date: Sat Jan 27 10:33:47 1990
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all the stuff that they use is public domain, like the irc, tinymudd and
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citidel software.
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i'll take a look...
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by the way, does anyone know of any other ways to connect to the internet
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other than UT micom? they're making it damn near impossible to get off camps
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without an account.
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sux, you used to be able to telnet off of portal1....
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17/31: yes, but......
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Sat Jan 27 11:05:49 1990
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If you do a find then it skyrockets and goes up about 5 cpu minutes a second!
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In one minute would go your $100 bucks!
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DS
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(It reallly depends what your using it for...just DONT EVEN THINK to run a
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password hacker on it) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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BTW, what/where is the FDES library (Is it not on sun,umax,HP/UX??) I know how
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to link it, but where is the library andwhat is its name?
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18/31: well
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sun Jan 28 14:18:57 1990
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ffdes is not a library...
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it is a redone function, called crypt... and it is damn good !
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i was running about 6 crypts off my system at home, and am now running 88
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asecond off my little mac ii
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macs dictionary hacking great! <go thru every word in usr/dict backwards
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forwards,upper and lower case per user in under an hour!> get lots o accounts!
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phoenix
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19/31: umm
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Wed Jan 31 09:31:46 1990
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i anyone has any listings on which systems get zardoz, and are willing to give
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me a copy please let me know... i have the australian distribution list, but
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australian systems are damn hard enough to get into when they DONT get zardoz..
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no sleep till zardoz... or so ive been told!!
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phoenix <still out there looking!>
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20/31: Zardoz?
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Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28
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Date: Wed Jan 31 16:48:12 1990
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Could you [Phoenix] describe Zardoz?
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21/31: fg
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Name: Dtmf #27
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Date: Wed Jan 31 22:31:36 1990
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RE: i think
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Here at UTA the Ethernet server still connects about anywhere...I'll hunt up
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the address b4 I call next time...
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DTMF
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22/31: ok..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Feb 01 10:12:52 1990
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zardoz is probably the equivelant of an elite hacking board.. only the exact
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opposite.
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it is a security mailing list which has all the top security experts in the
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world on it. Its basic function is to bring lovely security holes in various
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os to the attention of the security administrators.
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thelist is EXTREMELY restricted.. and becausde it displays all known bugs on
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unix and various other operating systems, the systems which generally recieve
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it are damn near impossible to hack.
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when you get root on a system.. look or it first thing!!
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phoenix <much happier now.. !!!>
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23/31: Zardoz and some other stuff
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Name: Mr. Slippery #72
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Date: Fri Feb 02 23:46:38 1990
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The Zardoz list does not put most bugs on it for a very good reason. ITs
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sent out using mail and various Internet and uucp sites get it. As it passes
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by in clear text, anyone with sufficient knowledge can intercept it (he he).
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For a good look at what is really in the Internet, find a copy of the book,
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The Matrix, and peruse it. I did not say buy it since it costs a lot but
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its worth looking thru the sections about networks in various contries.
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Did you know that there are no known networks in Albania, for example?
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24/31: communist countries
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Sat Feb 03 11:13:59 1990
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up until recently only allow government agencies to use computers. even
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the academic institutions cant get modems, copiers modems and typewriters
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can get you busted big time, for the computers they have. for an
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individual to have a computer is until the last two years impossible as
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it was against the law. i send mail through gt-net to a guy in england
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who then transfers the files manually to a academic network that has
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a link in moscow.
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25/31: _The Matrix_
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Sat Feb 03 13:03:18 1990
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is an excellent book (if you can affort it... get it). It is written by John
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Quaterman (an Austinite), and it copyright 1990 (came out late 1989). It is
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the most complete source of info I have seen.
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Daneel Olivaw
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26/31: well
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sun Feb 04 05:54:31 1990
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The zardoz list i got seems to have quite a few bugs, and enough info on the
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ones it doesnt specify as much to figure them out anyway... 8)
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27/31: Yes Zardoz is definitely tops..
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Mon Feb 05 20:11:42 1990
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But i've seen another one round back in the days when i had a look on
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internet...
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I don;t recall the name... might have started with M though.
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had great stuff in it.. !!
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no details,
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Par
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Jason
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28/31: USSR
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Name: Cassius Cray #135
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Date: Tue Feb 06 06:39:06 1990
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Any of you ever really got connected to a Ruskie computer... Shit I aways
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thought they had nothing newer than the old 35 teletypes... If you can get
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there is the output in Russian or English? I heard of some hackers in New
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Jersey accessing a worldnet port to the KGB... Those fuckers will ice your
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shit ...
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Cassius Cray
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29/31: hehe
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Tue Feb 06 13:26:00 1990
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told you to watch out for them cossaks par!!
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ok... there is also a security mailing list called Security-Misc
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which originates from a system called red.rutgers.edu
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this list is ok.. but became a bitmore public than zardoz.. and hence did not
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<in the long run> have as much information as zardoz did..
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30/31: Ruskies... i.e. USSR
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Tue Feb 06 17:38:35 1990
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from some info from a person at CalTech
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The latest information is that most technology is stolen from the US
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(surprise). One system is expecially interesting. I forget the number, but it
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is based on an Amdahl. They copied a clone... how sad. Most of the systems,
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especially mainframes are in English simply because most people over there
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speak English (that deal w/ computers), and they haven't the experience to
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steal and modify.
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Daneel Olivaw
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31/31: Stolen, yeah
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Name: Cassius Cray #135
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Date: Wed Feb 07 07:05:59 1990
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Yeah the Russkies have gotten shit from us in some pretty underhanded ways...
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I read where they got the design of the Fulcrum jet from models of our f-16
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sold at any hobby store or K-mart... they took the models back and they had a
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scale version....saves a bunch of design cost...
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:17:50 1990
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This sub covers all the networks other than Telenet and Tymnet. Autonet,
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BITNET, USENET (yes, some of these aren't true packet nets. sue me.), etc.
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2/60: Grumble
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Tue Jan 09 14:34:56 1990
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Israel pisses me off.
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I decided to scan them. Everything is going GREAT! the response time is
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immediate, I'm getting all kinds of addresses, etc...
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THEN...they make the network REFUSE COLLECT from the US. So I get about 200
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RCC's in my scan...I stop it, mad. Later it's working again. I start back
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up, happy. Then, they take it down again. I'm getting confused by now.
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Then, it's back up again, but the response time is LOOOOONG. My program
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doesn't like waiting, and therefore keeps fucking up. I dunno what
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their problem is over there. Are they still at war or something?
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Also: The datapac directory is going to be done soon. I still have to
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go and check some 2000+ addresses but I will eventually. Anyone know
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anything useful about the HUNDREDS of Terminals attached to the network?
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I'm assuming that they are dialin-nodes, but I don'tthink you can pad to pad
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them. At least I haven't been able to get on one when someone's been there.
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But I have millions of them...
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3/60: Autonet
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Tue Jan 09 21:09:39 1990
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Is there a scan directory available for this one? (Should I bother scanning?)
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grey owl
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4/60: janet
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Name: One Assembler #11
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Date: Tue Jan 09 23:16:45 1990
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anyone got any systems/accnts on Janet? Will their gateway accept collect
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connections?
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OA
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5/60: autonet
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Wed Jan 10 00:57:39 1990
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Well, we've gotten part of autonet done, but they noticed the scanning and
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went a bit nuts (monitoring internal mail is wonderful). It's been 6-8 months
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though, so it might be time to start again.
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Mentor
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6/60: Autonet & things...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Wed Jan 10 04:03:03 1990
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Um, are you going to scan it from the local dialup? Or by it's DNIC?
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It's 3126, isn't it? I'm not too sure if Telenet lets you call it, but
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that would really get rid of that damn three try delay...also, I think 21221
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resets the error attempts, so you can scan two then 21221 and then two
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more, ad infinitum...
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Also, Janet refuses collect...I'm assuming you mean the nua when calling
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from telenet...Or have you found a gateway through Tymnet?
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Janet needs a password, but it might only be for some woman named
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Janet...who knows.
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->ME
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7/60: autonet scan
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Wed Jan 10 19:08:07 1990
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Scanning by dialup would be slow. That's out. I don't know if telenet is
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connected to Autonet. If it is, I'd scan it by NUA. Otherwise, there are
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gateways to it. (eg. You connect to an NUA which acts just like a dialup)
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grey owl
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PS: Can someone upload an executable NUA scanner for IBM or Mac? (Binaries
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please)
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8/60: Autonet...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Thu Jan 11 13:18:39 1990
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It woulnd't be such a great idea to scan Autonet through the Telenet
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gateway. Autonet raised a holy shit-fit when Urvile was doing it
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about a year ago, and sent Telenet Security all kinds of nasty
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mail bitching for them to stop whoever in 404 was connecting to their
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system. Telenet blew them off, but if it started again, Telenet might
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just have to listen to their whining and crack down.
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I suggest you (or whoever is planning on this) do your scanning through a
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main dialup. It will be slower, but probably safer in the long run.
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->ME
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9/60: thanx
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Thu Jan 11 18:06:40 1990
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There is a gateway or something that goes to Autonet. When you connect to the
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NUA it acts just like you called an Autonet dialup. Would this be as crummy
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as scanning with the 3126 DNIC?
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Check out the DNICs listing from Daneel Olivaw and myself. I never knew that
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the US had that many pacet networks! Also, what's the difference between
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Telenet (3110 DNIC) and GTE Telenet (3127 DNIC)?
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grey owl
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10/60: autonet
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Thu Jan 11 21:15:12 1990
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The Autonet gateway is at 31341. The problem is, although it *acts* like a
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normal dialup, your PAD address is sent to them from your Telenet PAD when you
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connect. Apparently, the address header is attached to every connect attempt,
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because they went *nuts* when Urvile scanned 5 or 6 NPAs - they knew
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immediately it was from a 404 Telenet PAD.
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Mentor
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11/60: Autonet
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 12 00:23:46 1990
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Don't bother scanning it...Phoenix v:and m~ryself should have
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the network wrapped up in a few weeks...
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Look for the directory soon...
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THIS FUCKING i]LINE {OISE HAS GOT{TO kYqk]t~D!xD!w3{!!!
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/he{p
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/l{
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q{_ga8!oku!ws{m{{
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{/~rli
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{i]{_;z}?7aThis is the Ctrl-D Macro{o'+fJwT
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w3w,\Z[[{{>{
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{x{qxD
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{{t(>~rxDf*MEtz{w3
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{
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-t{>ME
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{s
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12/60: ok..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Fri Jan 12 00:54:28 1990
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yeah... wierd network..
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scanned out about 15000 nuas on it so ar and it has the strangest format i
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ever seen... and i have seen a fairt few nets. Umm.. one good thing for it is
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that it is an extremely fast network... so yeah... shouldnt take much longer
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to scan..
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking out..
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13/60: ..
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Sat Jan 13 03:00:33 1990
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Well...some of this may be out of sub but here ...
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Janet/PSS: I don't have any accounts....but from the main login you can
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access a help account and read some of the files available. There is one with
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an extensive list of NUA's reachable by Janet....and one that explains the
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entire system..how to logon....Account info..format...etc etc...good way to
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learn about the system....
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Which brings me to another point....I called it through 51359 (Develnet) at
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the time. This was quite a useful little system... but now any valid command
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you type it will disconnect you..there must be a pass or something. But I
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tried a few random cmds and got the following to hang me up (valid)..
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Pad
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Dialout
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Devel
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Help
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When and If this system ever becomes available to us hackers again....we must
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explore these cmds......l8r
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- SIlencer/DFKN
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14/60: DAMN !!!
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Sat Jan 13 08:40:17 1990
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Shit, i got drunk l;ast night and went onto that philippine sys..stupid
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admin came on and asks who i am...
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next thing i know i'm booted off and both acct's on the sys are gone
|
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not only this...but the fucking whole philippine net isn't accepting collect
|
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anymore (before it was completely down after i was booted!)
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anyway apparently someone there had enough of me.
|
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It might also have been the fact that i tried to login to the tdt2 system on it
|
|
about 6 or 9 hours previoulsy to getting ripped out of my skull on Long Island
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Iced Tea.
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My apologies to you chris...and especially to scott!
|
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by the way kids...never drink and hack!
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Par
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Jason
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15/60: janet
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Sat Jan 13 16:53:46 1990
|
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what is the NUA for janet? (So i can login with the help account and read
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about it)?
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16/60: drink and hack
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sat Jan 13 17:31:18 1990
|
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I thought the proverb was "Never drink beer and program at the same time."
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In the miscelaneous NUA file I u/led there are some DPAC NUAs that give you a
|
|
list of all the outdials in Canada. Helpful, huh? Does anyone know the new
|
|
NUA for Develnet?
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|
grey owl
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17/60: if you drink and hack..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sat Jan 13 21:05:00 1990
|
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I can occasionally turn up with better results.... imiganition runs wild..
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18/60: Stuff
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Name: Gary Seven #38
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Date: Mon Jan 15 11:12:28 1990
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|
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The NUA for the Janet net is 234223519xxx. Anybody have a Net scanner for
|
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the Apple? Later.
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19/60: Autonet help
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Tue Jan 16 00:25:55 1990
|
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Been needing help hacking autonet?
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Need you're local dialup?
|
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here's the sys to consult
|
|
dialup autonet:
|
|
(if u don't have a dilup)
|
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Use: 212-947-1xxx
|
|
or 212-629-5xxx
|
|
after connect hit <cr> twice.
|
|
then type 1300,7777
|
|
Password is AID
|
|
system is menu driven and has lots o handy stuff online
|
|
<gag> (sucks compared to telenet's
|
|
phones/phones but it's still usefull
|
|
NOTE: to all FEDS this is public info
|
|
Thank you,
|
|
Your COMRADE,
|
|
bahahahaah
|
|
Par
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Jason
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20/60: Autonet...
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Name: Grey Owl #10
|
|
Date: Tue Jan 16 08:52:36 1990
|
|
or you could call 512-480-0xxx and login with "help". You'll get a WATS
|
|
number to call and they will tell you what the dialup for your NPA is.
|
|
grey owl
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21/60: x.25 help
|
|
Name: Lancia #37
|
|
Date: Tue Jan 16 14:58:43 1990
|
|
i was on internet the other day and using ftp i found what appeared to be x.25
|
|
software so i grabbed everything in that directory..is there any way these
|
|
programs can be used to be able to pad off of the computer im storing them
|
|
on???
|
|
|
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22/60: well
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|
Name: The Mentor #1
|
|
Date: Tue Jan 16 17:08:21 1990
|
|
You can't modify it for pad-to-pad, but you *can* modify the X.25 software so
|
|
that you can connect to any CUG by disguising your incoming address.
|
|
Mentor
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|
|
|
23/60: CUG
|
|
Name: Konica #47
|
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Date: Wed Jan 17 11:01:59 1990
|
|
Can someone explain CUG?
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24/60: CUG
|
|
Name: The Mentor #1
|
|
Date: Wed Jan 17 12:21:03 1990
|
|
A CUG is a Closed User Group. It only accepts connections from certain
|
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addresses or address ranges.
|
|
Mentor
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25/60: Janet
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Name: Silencer #31
|
|
Date: Thu Jan 18 06:11:44 1990
|
|
Gary Seven.... the Janet doesnt accept collect does it? I dunno..I called
|
|
through develnet before....if you can would you call and get the direct dialup
|
|
for it?
|
|
.s
|
|
|
|
26/60: What is Develnet anyway?
|
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Name: Grey Owl #10
|
|
Date: Thu Jan 18 09:11:29 1990
|
|
Since they had an easily found PAD in Canada that went down, and then I
|
|
noticed another part of Develnet in Dayton that ALSO had easily found pads on
|
|
it, there has to be another one. If I can get some information on their
|
|
company and where it is based (besides Canada and Ohio) I might be able to
|
|
track the next Develnet pad. Anyone want to help me here?
|
|
grey owl
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|
27/60: I think...
|
|
Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
|
Date: Fri Jan 19 01:39:40 1990
|
|
but I may not be right,
|
|
that DevelNet, JettNet, and others are all owned by Mead...like the
|
|
paper people, and whatever else they make...
|
|
That's my guess...they are a world-wide (well, at least North-America wide)
|
|
company...and probably do lots of business in Canada...and they are basd in
|
|
Ohio, thus the Meadnet address there too...arg...
|
|
Your guess is as good as mine...
|
|
->ME
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28/60: minor
|
|
Name: Phoenix #17
|
|
Date: Fri Jan 19 06:36:51 1990
|
|
just a slight warning...
|
|
maybe stay away from develnet...
|
|
it is being monitored quite quite heavily...
|
|
but then again... what do i know...?
|
|
Phoenix
|
|
<The Flatline>
|
|
Jacking Out..
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|
|
|
29/60: Meadnet
|
|
Name: Grey Owl #10
|
|
Date: Fri Jan 19 12:51:38 1990
|
|
It looks to me like they think they can hide otherwise unprotected pads
|
|
just by moving the address from net to net. Typical moronic security.
|
|
Bloodaxe--when is the dpac scan going up? I NEED this.
|
|
grey owl
|
|
|
|
30/60: Develnet
|
|
Name: Silencer #31
|
|
Date: Fri Jan 19 18:16:45 1990
|
|
Hmm.. Would it matter if it was being monitored? as long as you werent caling
|
|
from a local telenet dialup and you didnt give out yer number over the pad it
|
|
shouldnt really matter. Anyway... When u log on to the 51359 pad it says
|
|
something like Develnet somethingorother - SCL2 or some odd number....
|
|
Develnet only disconnects you when you type valid commands..When I tried this
|
|
odd number SCL2 or whatevr as a command it disconnected me..I tried again to
|
|
verify and it did again..I wonder what this command would be used for.??
|
|
- Silencer
|
|
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|
31/60: well
|
|
Name: Phoenix #17
|
|
Date: Sat Jan 20 07:54:21 1990
|
|
The way I see it, it matters as follows
|
|
Anything you do through that p[ad is being logged..
|
|
that means any info you find or is given to you by others will be captured..
|
|
These systems will probably then get logged as well..
|
|
followed by which they will die...
|
|
and eventually one thing leads to another... and people get busted...
|
|
A general rule that i try to follow is that if i know something is bieng
|
|
monitored... STAY AWAY...
|
|
Prevention is seriously the best cure...
|
|
|
|
32/60: well..
|
|
Name: Silencer #31
|
|
Date: Sun Jan 21 05:16:30 1990
|
|
You dont seem to have any problem with calling QSD ..and EVERYONE knows that
|
|
IT is monitored. Hmm?? However.. I agree with you. Now..about Develnet being
|
|
owned by mead...I dunno.. What I DO know is that there is an NUA that I found
|
|
scanning that connects you to MEADNET. Its in 513 too. What I dont know..is
|
|
how to get the damn thing to work?! It gives a list of 40 or so systems ..but
|
|
how do you select whihc one you want to connect to? Herez the NUA:
|
|
51331 from telenet... it accepts collect connections too..
|
|
if anyone can get anything out of this can you let me know eitjer here or in
|
|
email? ...thanx...
|
|
Also...does anyone know anything about LEXIS & NEXIS ? Looks interesting.
|
|
- Silencer
|
|
BTW: in case anyone would like to contact Mead Corp... their business office
|
|
number is 513-495-6xxx..
|
|
|
|
33/60: Connection
|
|
Name: The Parmaster #21
|
|
Date: Sun Jan 21 10:16:11 1990
|
|
Well, the only connection is disconnection
|
|
(as Gandalf would say ;-))
|
|
thats what i'm putting on my epitaph.
|
|
THE ONLY CONNECTION IS DISCONNECTION...
|
|
oh well.. maybe i'll take a few of the buggers with me when they pull up.
|
|
Who knows?
|
|
Later,
|
|
Par
|
|
Jason.
|
|
|
|
34/60: meadnet
|
|
Name: Grey Owl #10
|
|
Date: Sun Jan 21 11:32:39 1990
|
|
k-rad d00d. Heh.
|
|
51331 is Jetnet/Evandale, I believe. In case you didn't know, logging on to
|
|
51359 and typing PAD would log you onto the Jetnet pads. This was useful as a
|
|
front end to 51331 which didn't accept collects when 51359 was up. Got that?
|
|
grey owl
|
|
|
|
35/60: lexis/nexis
|
|
Name: Mr. Slippery #72
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 22 00:29:27 1990
|
|
These are legal networks. A friend who works at a law office gets to
|
|
use them to do research on cases/precidents and the like. I'm not sure
|
|
what else they are good for but with all the busts, maybe that is enough!
|
|
|
|
36/60: oops
|
|
Name: Grey Owl #10
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 22 14:15:27 1990
|
|
correction: Jetnet/Evandale is 0311051300080 not 51331. I think 51331 is
|
|
Lexis/Nexis or something like that.
|
|
grey owl
|
|
|
|
37/60: Hey la
|
|
Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 22 17:37:36 1990
|
|
When someone is in the US (03110), and is "non-collectable", how should I
|
|
go about connecting.
|
|
|
|
Strnagely enough, I can only linkup to other countries. Explain that.
|
|
|
|
If you want, or if security req's, leave me mail.
|
|
|
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|
|
38/60: A Pad
|
|
Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 22 22:35:04 1990
|
|
|
|
might help....
|
|
Daneel Olivaw
|
|
P.S. An NUI is good too... hehe
|
|
|
|
39/60: better than a PAD
|
|
Name: Grey Owl #10
|
|
Date: Wed Jan 24 19:18:43 1990
|
|
You could always call Pac*it+ if you don't mind MCI giving your name/number to
|
|
GM! Get yourself a good fast outdial that will allows WATS numbers and call
|
|
1-800-727-2796. It works just like Telenet 'cept you leave off the leading 0
|
|
in the DNIC. (0208057040540 should be 2080...) It will connect you to any
|
|
3110 or 2624 address without a problem as long as the host is actually up.
|
|
Don't abuse this from home. They will fuck you over.
|
|
grey owl
|
|
|
|
40/60: Pac*IT plus
|
|
Name: Dark Sun #11
|
|
Date: Wed Jan 24 20:31:58 1990
|
|
it will also work with the 3020 (Datapac) DNIC
|
|
DS
|
|
|
|
41/60: Hah,
|
|
Name: The Parmaster #21
|
|
Date: Thu Jan 25 18:58:00 1990
|
|
Just keep in mind they see eveyrhting you do.
|
|
Believe me.. I know.
|
|
Jason.
|
|
|
|
42/60: pacit
|
|
Name: Silencer #31
|
|
Date: Thu Jan 25 23:54:39 1990
|
|
What does pac*it mean whenit says (or telenet or tymnet for that matter) Call
|
|
cleared DTE originated. ?? Whats dte..
|
|
|
|
43/60: dte
|
|
Name: Dark Sun #11
|
|
Date: Fri Jan 26 16:32:16 1990
|
|
same as a asych port... when DTE drops, the connection's dropped.
|
|
DS
|
|
(Likewise, when you drop DTR, the connection drops to the remote)
|
|
|
|
44/60: anyone heard of...
|
|
Name: Ravage #19
|
|
Date: Tue Jan 30 23:57:26 1990
|
|
nexus???
|
|
i was watching espn and a mention was made about doing a search through
|
|
here for past bush speaches. does it have to do with public statements
|
|
made in washington? is it public or private access?
|
|
|
|
45/60: make that espn cspan...
|
|
Name: Ravage #19
|
|
Date: Wed Jan 31 12:15:55 1990
|
|
sorry.
|
|
|
|
46/60: pavc*it
|
|
Name: Corrupt #114
|
|
Date: Thu Feb 01 06:59:10 1990
|
|
pac*it plus calls 03110..germany and spain..I didn't think it called DPAC.
|
|
usefulfor scanning spain..but at this point......hmm I'd be scared ofwhat MCI
|
|
i woulddo then GM...
|
|
anyone up on Kinneynet?hehehehehe
|
|
I'llpost the dialup later but u need a NUI for it :-((
|
|
Develnet? I thoughghht the Develnet was just x.25 server software! I've seen
|
|
several Develnet pads and I had gotinto thesystems it connected to and they
|
|
weren't MEAN related...maybe I'm wrong?(it was a modm company.)
|
|
Needless to say I was pissed when everyone used it todeath just to see a
|
|
pretty (canada)..the reason it diconnects is because of where you're calling
|
|
from..if you call from canda u probably won'T expirence this problem....on the
|
|
03110 develnet..same thing cept you have to be at console...there are still
|
|
somesystems availble from there that r open..here'Sone IBM <-i couldn't hack
|
|
it so of course Iposted that one:-))
|
|
C U-->greets from [8lgm]corrupt
|
|
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47/60: MEAD / Develnet
|
|
Name: Grey Owl #10
|
|
Date: Fri Feb 02 22:03:31 1990
|
|
Misunderstanding: 51331 is meadnet. 51359 and 51380 are Develnet. 51331
|
|
has nothing to do with Develnet except that I was mistaken in a post a while
|
|
back.
|
|
Corrupt: do post that Kinneynet dialup..please!
|
|
|
|
Pac*it is still great for calling those Telenet dialers! I mean...not direct
|
|
of course. Heh...MCI sucks.
|
|
grey owl
|
|
|
|
48/60: pac*it
|
|
Name: Silencer #31
|
|
Date: Sat Feb 03 00:40:23 1990
|
|
hmmm......a few people have said that pac*it is gonna bill me for using od's
|
|
from it. i dont doubt this...but i doubt i'll ever pay anything.
|
|
Because..mainly..i never broke the law! I never enetered any passcodes or
|
|
anything ..a ya know? all you do to iuse pac*it is call a 800 line..input a
|
|
network address...and dial the number.....getting charged for that is the
|
|
silliest thing i've ever heard...i'll fight em to the end on that shit..
|
|
- SIlencer
|
|
|
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49/60: chargeing
|
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Name: Alter Ego #110
|
|
Date: Sat Feb 03 07:26:13 1990
|
|
RE: pac*it
|
|
They MAY charge you for use of thier service... also some of those od's are
|
|
meant to be payed for i.e. pcpursuit. So you may even billed for use of PCP's
|
|
od's or both...
|
|
Alter Ego
|
|
|
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50/60: silencer..
|
|
Name: Grey Owl #10
|
|
Date: Sat Feb 03 18:39:21 1990
|
|
you can be billed. You DID break the law. Technically, you call their system
|
|
and used it without their permission. Now, if for somereason they should go
|
|
after you for calling a few piddley outdials you can just say you thought it
|
|
was Telenet. They probably will let you off with a warning and some other
|
|
little deals. If you were using it to scan...then you will be screwed. I
|
|
wouldn't advise calling anything direct anymore. It's just too dangerous
|
|
these days. The only things I call direct are Phoenix Project and Telenet or
|
|
Tymnet.
|
|
grey owl
|
|
|
|
51/60: kinneynet?
|
|
Name: Corrupt #114
|
|
Date: Sat Feb 03 20:37:57 1990
|
|
|
|
umm KinneyNet:201-623-6009,6014,6035
|
|
there are more..most won't find it useful..you neeed a NUI but it does have
|
|
exstensive help (for a PSN dialup) ..also..dunno where it enters the
|
|
network..maybe one could..(if one had the time..)too see if you could..ahem
|
|
|
|
52/60: things...
|
|
Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
|
Date: Mon Feb 05 01:07:17 1990
|
|
jesus...if you thugs are STILL calling pac*it plus direct then I genuinely
|
|
hope MCI drives a nice new GM truck right up your sphincters.
|
|
DOESN'T ANYONE LISTEN TO ME?
|
|
oh well...
|
|
also, kinnynet isn't hooked into tams, and all you need is an old id to get it
|
|
to work, although you don't want to use it for scanning, as it hangs up after
|
|
a wrong attempt (and after you disconnect from a valid host)
|
|
dig up your old telenet nuis and use it freely...until they get smart and fix
|
|
it.
|
|
->ME
|
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|
|
53/60: well from the way I understand..
|
|
Name: Phelix The Hack #89
|
|
Date: Mon Feb 05 11:36:32 1990
|
|
pacit*plus...is perfectly legeal to call and abuse...
|
|
|
|
BUT
|
|
...not only does MCI get Detailed Report...EVERYTHING you do is
|
|
monitored..so if you use it do something illeagal..they know...
|
|
|
|
a good example is Doc Cypher...and none other than Par..(so you might ask him)
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pth
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54/60: Bloodaxe...
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Mon Feb 05 16:52:08 1990
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I wasn't ignoring you that time you told me to quit calling Pac*it. I haven't
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called it direct since then. There are outdials that are nice and fast.
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Pac*it is a great little pad for my personal use and abuse when I'm
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outdialing!
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grey owl
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55/60: There is a new network
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Mon Feb 05 19:53:16 1990
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I am not sure of it... but I'll get more info... it seems to have dial-ups in
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most cities.
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Daneel olivaw
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56/60: Yes well you can ask me...
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Mon Feb 05 20:19:50 1990
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Yes you can ask me...
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And i will tell you...THEY LOG EVERYTHING ON PAC*IT PLUS!
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and for the people who don't listen and get into bigger stuff then
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dont say that i didn't warn you...
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also Doc. Cypher saw the printout they had of the MCI call detail report
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says it was like fucking 6 inches thick...he called it and it had his #
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approximately 200 or so times...so you can see.. if you called it a lot from
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home
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you caused a lot of problems for GM they are losing a lot of $$$ coz of it.
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they also like to see what neat little toys you play with over it.
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and if it's anything big, hairy, and scary count on a visit.
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Also: the fools who do use it- PLEASE don't talk to my on any of the chats...
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my= me
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i've got enough probs already with bein logged, i don't need more.
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Stay Safe,
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Par
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Jason
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57/60: hmm
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Tue Feb 06 13:27:34 1990
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i hope this is only temporary..
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but altos munich <altger> corner stone <or at least was. for many a year seems
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to be refusing guest logins..
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thats really sad... 8(
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phoenix
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58/60: Pakit
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Name: Nemesis #122
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Date: Wed Feb 07 01:26:15 1990
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Well Ive heard a lot of thing about it, and had a million warning fomr
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other peopel not to use it.. But I have to say.. that I have been useing it
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for years, and have had not one problem, and Im not about to stop now. To be
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honest, despite what a lot of people are saying, I think its reletivly safe,
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as long as you use something correctly it will always be safe.
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59/60: shit
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Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80
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Date: Wed Feb 07 04:18:54 1990
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but even calling in-direct implies that something is before it...
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and the first call will always be direct! But you can weave your calls
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around in several interesting ways that make it much harder to trace
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over a period of time...
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60/60: new
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Name: Corrupt #114
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Date: Wed Feb 07 06:04:53 1990
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-yup!..new network Coming...however..it 's gonna have a few problems..like..you
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r city will be sent in thepacket header..notlike itwasn't before..like
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example...youcallqsd via it (and you willbecause that's gonna be a littkle
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service they offer..probably have a PCP /starlink type thinie...) it's say
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Corrupt (NYnet)
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now Sure this looks Fine And Dandy but it screams where your coming from
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andmaybe it'll be tymeto look what Port your coming from adn callup AT&T and...
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well..whose gonna get a nui first! (if U even Need one..) I'llletcha know more
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when I getmy info (a week after I memorizedalltheLitature :-)) ) justKidding!
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'and I've Got A Gun to kil MC better than me but THERE are None!'
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howcum nobody asked me to Sing yet!!!!
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< Other Packet Nets Q-Scan Done >
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______________________________________________________________________________
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*** {UNIX Sub-Board} ***
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< Q-scan Unix 10 - 69 msgs >
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1/69: This Sub
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:18:55 1990
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This sub is for discussion of UNIX in all its myriad forms - XENIX, BSD,
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System V, AIX, COSNIX, and so on, ad infinitum.
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Mentor
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2/69: !
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Tue Jan 09 14:35:53 1990
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Someone explain to me...for the benefit of EVERYONE...the wall and rwall
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bugs.
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I can't get anything to work, and I think I'm doing it all wrong.
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->ME
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3/69: WALL and RWALL bugs
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Name: One Assembler #11
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Date: Tue Jan 09 22:35:01 1990
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I dont understand what the diff would be between rwall and wall... in order to
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use the wall bugs you gotta modify /etc/utmp on the local system, right
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(correct me as i go along if I'm wrong). So, you would just either specify
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you're local net or no net for rwall. I heard the prob with wall t(and rwall
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is that you're fields get messed up in your passwd file when you do this. I
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was thinking instead pointing it to /etc/passwd point it to a superuser
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accnt (ie first cp /usr/spool/cron/crontabs/root $HOME/root then point your
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utmp entry to the file /usr/spool/cron/crontabs/root, because I wouldnt
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think that cron would screw up on any characters added{in,{as lon{yM t(as
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w3one line {ad the corre{t "*"'s and command fields.
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OA
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4/69: restore bug
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Name: One Assembler #11
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Date: Tue Jan 09 23:17:50 1990
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anyone know how do get write permission to a file system thru the restore bug?
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OA
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5/69: ok..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Jan 11 03:56:08 1990
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someone tell me how to configure cu so it calls out on x25...
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<I really should know.. but dont..>
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Phoenix
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<the latline>
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ahem
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking out..
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6/69: defcon
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Fri Jan 12 01:11:27 1990
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defcon is not system specific... it is an invention of the realm, and was
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initially concieved by the force. The theory behind defcon was to write a
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program which would hack/scan/perform almost anything youwould give it.
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The results are quite astonishing... defcon can go through 50 vaxes trying 150
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username/passwords on each in under an hour. It runs of a mainframe, so user
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does not need to be online while defcon is running. Todays defcon has deault
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listings for unix , prime, and vax plus more systems, does a default hack, and
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then any additional combinations you tell it to try.
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It will also scan nuas for you..
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All up not a bad package.
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking out.
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7/69: defcon
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Fri Jan 12 23:00:21 1990
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Are you, by any chance, sharing defcon?
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grey owl
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8/69: well..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sat Jan 13 03:36:07 1990
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not the soruce.. but i hope to have some sort of system worked out soon...
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking out..
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9/69: DESZIP
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Sat Jan 13 08:43:26 1990
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If anyone happens to have the program DESZIP (using the special algo to
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encrypt both the encrypted password and word checking, )
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Let me know..
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i'd appreciate to get a copy again!
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i admit the thing is huge but i've only got one more hope for getting another
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copy now..
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any help would be appreciated
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Thansk,
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Par
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Jason
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10/69: Piper...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Sat Jan 13 20:23:20 1990
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who is supposed to be calling here soon...
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sent me Internet mail the other day...He should be u/l
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a copy of DESzip to my school's unix, and I'm going to
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ask him to set it up too, so we will ahve a base to use
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the damn thing from...I've been wanting a damn DESzip
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site for a LOOOOOOONG time.
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->ME
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11/69: AIX(rt, ps/2, 370)
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Sun Jan 14 00:02:12 1990
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In my normal, EVERYDAY life, I have access to over 500 AIX systems. What ways
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are there to gain entrance thru TCPIP, and once you're in, what are some bugs
|
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that will give you root?
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DS
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12/69: try
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sun Jan 14 06:34:13 1990
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try telnet, rlogin,ftp,tftpand heaps of other protocols... all will get you
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there...
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking out..
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13/69: try...
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Name: Phiber Cut #34
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Date: Sun Jan 14 08:13:09 1990
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The best way is to tftp all of the address's for the organization you are
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looking at and snatch the password files. This can be automated in a simple
|
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shellcript which would look at/read the host table as sysn (assuming you're
|
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in one system already) and tftp to each machine in the table. Then do a
|
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"get" to grab the password file. This is where you will generally discover
|
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someone left an unpassworeded account. If there are SUN's connected you're
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really in luck because the security onthese machines is always left open,
|
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and generally they belong to researchers who don't know how or just don't
|
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give a shit ("why should I password all of the accounts?").
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Anyway, once you've grabbed all of the password files (try giving them
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the host address as a name - makes it easier) run even a simple cracker
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against them and you're sure to get results.
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14/69: I didnt ask anything about SunOS
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Sun Jan 14 14:11:54 1990
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I asked about AIX!
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15/69: same same
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 14 14:23:25 1990
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But the same principles apply. You must generalize out from a specific
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opsys...
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16/69: ok...then...
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Sun Jan 14 18:40:51 1990
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What are some systems (besides uunet) where I can ftp SunOS 4.0.3 source?
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17/69: System
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Name: Captain Crook #36
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Date: Sun Jan 14 22:45:58 1990
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What is an ideal system to have Unix on? I can get discounts on AT&T
|
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equipment because I have 3 or 4 relatives who work for AT&T and Bell Labs.
|
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Price is a factor but not much of one. I do not want to get some piece of
|
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shit clone and use Xenix and all that other shit. I want a robust system with
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the works.
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18/69: well
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Mon Jan 15 01:35:47 1990
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If you don't mind older equipment, snag a 3b2 (or 3b5 or whatever). They're
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good, solid machines. I'm not up on the latest AT&T stuff - my hands-on
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experience was all on older stuff that they don't make anymore.
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Mentor
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19/69: umm..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Mon Jan 15 02:18:33 1990
|
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just let me casually point out that ttp will only work on the older versions o
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ttp, which do not do a chroot.
|
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so there.
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking Out..
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20/69: You might call:
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Mon Jan 15 18:24:54 1990
|
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Electrorep... they carry erverything, and have a nice 300 page catalog of all
|
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AT&T and Sun equipment...
|
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Daneel
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21/69: well
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Name: Phiber Cut #34
|
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Date: Tue Jan 16 07:03:37 1990
|
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Mentor, AT&T 3B5, 3B15 and 3B20 are old dinosaurs being put to rest. The
|
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new 3B2/1000 line (models 60,80 and whatever) rock and roll. The 3B2/1000-80
|
|
is just about as powerful as a VAX 8600, which is pretty good for a machine
|
|
the size of a SUN workstation.
|
|
There Microline includes the 6386 WGS, which if configured properly (i.e.,
|
|
32M Ram, 300M storage) can be a kick ass UNIX box.
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22/69: i
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Tue Jan 16 07:38:32 1990
|
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ok.. is a/ux supposedly 100% bsd compatible ?
|
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i heard yes..
|
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and wsecondly... should there be major dierences in compiling source on bsd
|
|
4.2 compared to bsd 4.3 ?
|
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i havent heard anything.. but rom experience.. yes... clariication please..
|
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Phoenix
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23/69: I have never heard anything good about A/ux
|
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Tue Jan 16 08:55:22 1990
|
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Maybe I just don't run with the right circles, but I took Macworld and MacUser
|
|
for several years (subs. just ran out a few months ago) and I don't recall
|
|
reading anything good about A/ux. All I've heard is that it's slow and not
|
|
fully implemented. I guess it's one of the few Unices (is that really plural
|
|
for unix?) that runs on a micro...the only for an Apple.
|
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grey owl
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24/69: p.cut
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Tue Jan 16 17:08:57 1990
|
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Yes, but they are *cheap* dead beasts - I can't afford a VAX!
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Mentor
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25/69: Picture This....
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Name: Konica #47
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Date: Wed Jan 17 11:12:16 1990
|
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I get root on a system.... I want to edit the login file so I can add a locin
|
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straight to the file instead of the /etc/passwd file. How would I go about
|
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doing this?
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26/69: uhhh
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Name: The Mentor #1
|
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Date: Wed Jan 17 12:22:16 1990
|
|
You want to put a trapdoor into the login program, right? You need to get
|
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ahold of login.c (I think I have a copy of the BSD 4.3 version) and just put a
|
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jump in it that takes you over the /etc/password check if you enter a certain
|
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string as a username.
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Mentor
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27/69: Yea
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Name: The Dictator #43
|
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Date: Wed Jan 17 18:45:22 1990
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Yea..The Login.C (At least all the ones Ive seen) are extremely easy to
|
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follow. Either insert a jump to avoid the etc/password, or set up a varable
|
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to copare with the password you give to bypass the etc/passwd check.
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The Dictator
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28/69: its amazing actually
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Wed Jan 17 19:47:18 1990
|
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I was looking around some systems tonite and while reading someones mail I
|
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found out where to get SunOS source (on a recently setup system)... Just
|
|
thought it was amazing that I've been specifically looking for it and couldnt
|
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find it for quite some time, and then when I'm NOT looking for it it just
|
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appears.. (As you can tell, this is not the reason i posted this)... So, I go
|
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to FTP the source for login, and guess what???? My passwords been changed. I
|
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think I know who, but I dont want to start an argument again (he already is in
|
|
a bad mood for some reason)... You know who you are, so could you at LEAST
|
|
change the password back?
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Related... I can supply source with a reasonable amount of trouble to anyone
|
|
who wants it (ie maybe I'll encrypt it and let you break it--just to make sure
|
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noone gets it from me instead of trying to find it at all)...
|
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DS
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ps I dont want ANY replies in public posts about the person changing my
|
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password... (It WAS a COMPLETELY random one)
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29/69: hmm
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Jan 18 02:07:43 1990
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i got source or most shit on unix... <still looking or tp and telnet>
|
|
but i want to know why my login.c or 4.3 doesnt compile on 4.2
|
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and then i want login.c 4.2
|
|
i anyone can help me ?
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30/69: NYCENET....
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Thu Jan 18 10:37:23 1990
|
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is the New York City Educational Network. the number is 1-800-344-8280
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31/69: Root
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Name: Konica #47
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Date: Thu Jan 18 23:28:30 1990
|
|
If a freind of mine as a favor gave me the root shell on a unix how can i get
|
|
the login.c source from the system. We talked about deleteing the original one
|
|
and puting yours, but how do I check out his? The guy that gave me root
|
|
probbly had a backdoor in it all ready and I want to check it out.
|
|
Does anyone have a decryption breaker? As far as I know the /bin/login file is
|
|
encrypted and I want to veiw it at least...
|
|
And is their anyway that I can download (besides buffering) files from a unix
|
|
if I don't have a unix myself? I doubt there is an xmodem protocal or
|
|
something..
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sorry for all the questions but everybody has to start somewhere...
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.s
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32/69: Unix!
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 19 01:42:03 1990
|
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I don't know if these are on the d/l's yet, but
|
|
there are a few good UUCP packages for the IBM family.
|
|
You can uucp yourself some files, if you want. I haven't
|
|
gotten them off of here yet myself, but I'm going to soon, and
|
|
when I get them to snag remote files when calling into
|
|
a unix and getting into the uucico shell, I'll let you all knw
|
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how well it works.
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->ME
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33/69: ok
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Fri Jan 19 06:38:28 1990
|
|
finally got it... source for almost all unix protocols... ahh..
|
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yawn
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|
and practically everything else...
|
|
berkeley uni if anything... provides..
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking Out..
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34/69: internet worm
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Name: Dark Sun #11
|
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Date: Fri Jan 19 12:44:05 1990
|
|
Well, I see rfc1135's up... anyone have a pure text version of spaf's report?
|
|
(Dont have access to a postscript printer for awhile)
|
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DS
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35/69: /dev files
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Fri Jan 19 12:47:44 1990
|
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how would I intercept all information going thru the /dev files (ie /dev/ttyp0
|
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or /dev/kmem)?
|
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Also, anyone know how to tap the LAN of a net to watch the info going across
|
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it?
|
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DS
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36/69: unix ftps
|
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Name: Grey Owl #10
|
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Date: Fri Jan 19 12:54:09 1990
|
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There are lots. You can use one of the xmodem packages available (call your
|
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local C oriented programming BBS) or get the UNXZMODM.ARC package. Zmodem for
|
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your unix. It's quite handy.
|
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grey owl
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37/69: source
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Name: Johnny Hicap #45
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Date: Fri Jan 19 22:23:46 1990
|
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I have all sort of source files for BSD 4.3 but I am looking for soure for
|
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SunOS. Does anybody have any?
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38/69: rn
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Name: Ripper #51
|
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Date: Sat Jan 20 21:16:27 1990
|
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OK....I use rn to read all the latest BS on the net, is there any way to
|
|
bepass the moderator?
|
|
Me and a moderator have a personal thing, and he's so immature he bounces back
|
|
my message to others on the group (that would do go for everyone to see) with
|
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"HA HA HA HA!" appended.
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39/69: sysdiag
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Name: Dark Sun #11
|
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Date: Sat Jan 20 21:38:28 1990
|
|
What interesting info can you do with sysdiag accounts(besides run the system
|
|
diagnostics)...anyway to change it to the csh shell or ftp to/from it?
|
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DS
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40/69: well
|
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
|
Date: Sun Jan 21 01:06:02 1990
|
|
not much... sysdiag is rather tightly sewn up.. umm.. unwise to play with it..
|
|
coz it an seriously stu up a system..
|
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<<f key still broken.,.>>
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41/69: CARRIER SCANNER FOR UNIX
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Name: Dark Sun #11
|
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Date: Sun Jan 21 01:21:01 1990
|
|
Anyone write a carrier scanner for UNIX modems? You could have 30 or so scans
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going at the same time if you had that many outdial modems
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DS
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42/69: Hmm sysdiag.
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Sun Jan 21 10:19:26 1990
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I think an old trick is to make sysdiag readable and writable by everyone.
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Then if you ever lose root.
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Walla.
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Later,
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Par
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Jason.
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43/69: bypassing moderator
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Name: Mr. Slippery #72
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Date: Mon Jan 22 00:30:49 1990
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Yes, its been done and in fact, you have to know how to do it (sort of)
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to post to alt.hackers but if you do it normally someone will get on your
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case and threaten your system with getting cut off from net access.
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44/69: well
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Mon Jan 22 09:26:57 1990
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only problem is that i have never seen sysdiag with a shell <it plain aint got
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one>
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phoenix
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45/69: sysdiag
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Mon Jan 22 15:40:06 1990
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It has the sysdiag shell (if you can really call it a shell)
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DS
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46/69: well
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Tue Jan 23 06:53:01 1990
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its not really a shell... it is the program diag
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youcan call it a shell as much as you can call something like tfp orkermit a
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shell...
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Phoenix
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47/69: Ok.
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Tue Jan 23 19:14:40 1990
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Yes, but i mean if you have another acct you make the sysdiag PROGRAM
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Readable/writeable by everyone.
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then if you lose root you can use it to get it back.
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dig?
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Later,
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Par
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Jason
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48/69: hmm
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Wed Jan 24 01:31:44 1990
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whatever
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phoenix
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49/69: okey-doke..
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Name: Phelix The Hack #89
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Date: Wed Jan 24 12:42:26 1990
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say I've got a question...
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...and its on uucp, so before everyone starts jumping my case; and telling me
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how shitty uucp/nnucp is and tis worthless...blah..blah...saveit. I am
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perfectly aware of its limitations..
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ok...after submitting a uucp request (or any request for that matter that
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uucio sets up); how can I IMMEDIATELY bump my request off the queue; and have
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it "executed" right then and there (if possible)...even as root, with the host
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time set at ANY; and flat out running uucio will not do it. I have tried cron
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entries executing uucicio once a min...etc..This is true even if the particulr
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entry in question is the only one in the queue...any help?
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pls answer thisone SOMEONE..its more a frustration barrier than a useful
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item..and its driving me nuts.
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also any encounters with AT&T sys V3.2.3 (or soon to be released
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4.0)...featuring password shadowing, passable ENV variables between "security"
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programs ex: login..(for root only)...non modifiable ENV variables for
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restricted accts...blah..blah..blah..?
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pth.
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50/69: uucp reqs
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Wed Jan 24 14:05:04 1990
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When you execute a uucp request, getty is usually executed as part of it.
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Because of the slow nature of this command, if you execute it too quickly,
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you'll execute a second getty before ungetty has been executed. This screws
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everything up, and usually freezes up uucp until someone manually resets the
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tty's.
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If you want to do it, I'd execute the following:
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1. Change the cron so that it isn't running uucico.
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2. Kill off everything in the queue (uuqxt?).
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3. Give it a few minutes to kill everything.
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4. Queue your request.
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5. NOW execute uucico.
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6. Restore the cron.
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7. Begone...
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Mentor
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51/69: lovely bug..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Wed Jan 24 21:35:34 1990
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which lets you get the shell o anyone mailing you..!
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coming soon..!
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52/69: something i had a long time ago and lost..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sat Jan 27 07:42:48 1990
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umm.. anyone got a copy of xyz.c source code for unix ?
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basuically it is source for xmodem, ymodem and zmodem on unix.
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I could probably manage to do xmodem and ymodem <maybe..!> but never zmodem
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<dont know damn thing bout it!>
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so if anyone got xyz.c let me know!
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thanks
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Phgoenix
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53/69: password hacker
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Sat Jan 27 12:00:56 1990
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Anyone either got a patch for pwh.c to let it work w/ dictionaries on any
|
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system or a different password hacker that'll work almost anywhere? (Or maybe
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just on SunOS?)
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DS
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54/69: well
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sun Jan 28 14:21:26 1990
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to run it with a dictionary.. make the dictionary a file, and use it as a
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wordlist..
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you will have to modiy the ARB_CONST to some ungodly amout....
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then go for it..
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by the way.. i got zmodem source if anyone wants it.. ill put it up here!
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phoenix
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shit i hate prompt security guys..
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one minute ftp from 1987, next minute ftp version 5.84, jan 24, 1990 arggh!
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55/69: i have...
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Fri Feb 02 23:18:14 1990
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suid'ed chroot on a system... will it now be easy enough where all I have to
|
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do is create the /etc and /bin dirs and then place passwd and login in them
|
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(oh yea and csh)? I mean do a chroot to my home dirs and then create those
|
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directoriesm or is it a bit (or ALOT) tuffer than this?
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DS
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56/69: aha
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sun Feb 04 05:56:25 1990
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try it <hehehe...>
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by the way .. anyone got sun source codes ?
|
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any version of sun will do..
|
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need them rather badly..
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57/69: ok
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sun Feb 04 06:06:14 1990
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password shadowing;
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found on some lbl system <lbl.arpa> at ucb
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unix bsd 4.3
|
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as i saw it, it works as such.
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you have your passwd file still kept in /etc/passwd, but all accounts are *
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out.
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eg root:*:..etc
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they all appear that way.
|
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now.. there is a file called master.passwd in /etc which is readable/writeable
|
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by root only.
|
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when a user attempts to change a field in his passwd entry, it creates a
|
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temporary file in /tmp <called #.passwd, where # is a number>, does the
|
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changes there, and then copies back to master.passwd
|
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this is how i believe it to work anyway.
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���
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arg
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of course i will look into it further.. but i got a shock when i saw this, coz
|
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i was unaware thate berkeley were even considering using shadowing as security.
|
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for those of you thsat dont know, password shadowing involves hiding all the
|
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encrypted passwds usually found in /etc/passwd
|
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i guess they have finally realized what a mistake it was to make /etc/passwd
|
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world readable ;-)
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58/69: I'll SAY it was a mistake!
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sun Feb 04 21:17:50 1990
|
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That had to be the biggest mistake since pad to pad!
|
|
I know of several password hackers that FTP a remote /etc/passwd and try out
|
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names for passwords and reversed names and last names and things like that.
|
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It's just too big of a security hole unless the passwords are created by a
|
|
good sysadm.
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grey owl
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59/69: Unix [ANY]
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Name: Captain Crook #36
|
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Date: Sun Feb 04 23:03:20 1990
|
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Does anyone have either AT&T System V 4.x? or ANY SunOS?
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60/69: both ways
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Name: Corrupt #114
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Date: Mon Feb 05 05:08:25 1990
|
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nice trojans
|
|
------------
|
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good security
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|
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this works both ways....look-out for unixes(and VMS sites) that keep another
|
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copy of /etc/passwd (or sysuaf.dat) and everynite rewrite it over the one used
|
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for login(some any mods are discovered)..u can alternatly install some
|
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security inside likethis for yourself...(hide it in CROn) (or wherever u want
|
|
on vms:-)) undersytand? I know I7m not clear:-((
|
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but thats works for you sometimes and it'S sinmple if you know script:-)
|
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anyone here into Rapid Fire hacking?
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61/69: well..
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Name: Phelix The Hack #89
|
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Date: Mon Feb 05 11:40:45 1990
|
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AT&T keep their shadow in /etc/shadow..which is readable nly by root...and
|
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they have allowed passable env var to such key programs such as login;
|
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passwd..etc...that allow the sysadm toREQUIRE that the passwds meet a certain
|
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format..such as 5characters+1digit+Special Cahr..etc..
|
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i really cannot type today.
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pth
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62/69: its a real bitch..
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
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Date: Mon Feb 05 12:15:49 1990
|
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but thank god for sendmail and fingerd, which let you read anything on the
|
|
damn thing anyway.. ;-).. still.. it would be nice to have source to the damn
|
|
thing.. and know what structure it uses to insert/extract the passwords in
|
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/etc/master.passwd or /etc/shadow. It isnt straight ascii with your encrypted
|
|
passwords just sitting there, thats for sure!
|
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Rapid fire hacking ? <ever heard of defcon ? >
|
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ok.. seeing as i cant seem to get hold ofsun source code..
|
|
the problem i have is as follows..
|
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login.c on BSD 4.3 compiles using quota.h
|
|
this contains general quota info/requirment definitions for system.
|
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it doesnt seem to exist under sunOS.
|
|
I dont think that sunOS has an equivelant... and i believe that login on sun
|
|
works rather differently from login on BSD... so if anyone can help me out..
|
|
please do..
|
|
when i shoved quota.h on a sun, and then compiled it.. it compiled ok... but
|
|
the thing crashed like youve never seen..
|
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i spose whats needed is sun source <sigh..>
|
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phoenix
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63/69: hah
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Name: The Parmaster #21
|
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Date: Mon Feb 05 20:23:54 1990
|
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Yep DEFCON i'm sure could be the "rapid fire hacking of the '90s"
|
|
Also there is a good example of pw shadowing on JOLNET in chicago....
|
|
it's public access...
|
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|
|
Later,
|
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Par
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Jason
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64/69: /etc/shadow
|
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Name: Dark Sun #11
|
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Date: Tue Feb 06 00:20:28 1990
|
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i got the format lying in one of my old gfiles (if I even still have ANY of my
|
|
gfiles).. I'll see if i can dig it up
|
|
DS
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|
|
65/69: speaking of Jolnet...
|
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Name: Guc #97
|
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Date: Tue Feb 06 04:24:07 1990
|
|
I have not been able to get a connect for days... it just rings and rings...
|
|
.s
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66/69: well..
|
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
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Date: Tue Feb 06 13:28:37 1990
|
|
i am sure there is a simple c structure for it..
|
|
hell... there is a c structure for EVERYthing <almost>
|
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|
|
67/69: hun:digress.
|
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Name: Corrupt #114
|
|
Date: Wed Feb 07 05:45:49 1990
|
|
Someone got busted forhacking JOLNET:-((
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68/69: Shit
|
|
Name: Cassius Cray #135
|
|
Date: Wed Feb 07 07:07:22 1990
|
|
Know who? I thought Jolnet was a hacker board for UNIX freaks...
|
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69/69: hmmm
|
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Name: Guc #97
|
|
Date: Wed Feb 07 08:48:04 1990
|
|
i never saw anything hack related there, but then again I basicly just used it
|
|
for mail.
|
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.s
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< Unix Q-Scan Done >
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1/18: This Sub
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:19:47 1990
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This sub is for discussion of Digital Equipment's VAX operating system VMS
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(one of my personal favorites).
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Mentor
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2/18: wait a second.. does this mean....
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Thu Jan 11 18:35:41 1990
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that i cant ask for help w/ rt-11?
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ravage
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black
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leather
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monster
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3/18: DEC.
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Name: Corrupt #114
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Date: Wed Jan 31 05:18:22 1990
|
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question:..anyone know of a way to monitor port activity on adecserver?
|
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such as seeing thier connection to a host(andpossibly watch them login?)
|
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note:who has seen a xyplex? only seen 2 (one by US west) the are exaclty like
|
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decservers..no,,,better than decservers..and you can mod them easily...I find
|
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that SYSTEM,BRIDGE,ACCESS ar systempasswords forpriveldges..no SYSTEMis
|
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factory default..theothers are defaults for the competition but findthier way
|
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as the pass for DEcservers as well
|
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Corrupted?
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4/18: hmm
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
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Date: Wed Jan 31 09:19:45 1990
|
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i believe electron tried to monitor other terminals on a vax, and failed..
|
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but ask/mail him.. he knows more about it than i do.
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phoenix
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5/18: Xyplex
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Wed Jan 31 14:42:10 1990
|
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I've been one on and it does look just like a DECserver. I wouldn't have
|
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known unless someone told me. They are better once you get a feel for the
|
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different features.
|
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grey owl
|
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.s
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!#&$*#
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6/18: monitor
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Wed Jan 31 16:31:02 1990
|
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If you are on a VAX with decent privs, you can run a utility called "MONITOR"
|
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that allows you to see everything going across an Ethernet or X.25(9) link.
|
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Very useful if you're on a busy system. Just turn the buffer on and sit back...
|
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Type "HELP MONITOR" for details - even if you don't have the privs to run it,
|
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it'll give you all the info you need about it.
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Mentor
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7/18: monitor
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Thu Feb 01 14:26:46 1990
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I've got a Tower UNIX with a Beta(?) Test version of some PAD utilities... One
|
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of the programs is monitor... Any possible relation?
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DS
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8/18: MONITOR
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Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80
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Date: Fri Feb 02 04:23:03 1990
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|
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Are you referring to the infamous promiscious mode instead? Where you set
|
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the Ethernet controller to record all the datagrams. I have a
|
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DEQNA ETHERNET users' guide in front of me, and this includes information
|
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on how to set promisious mode on. I imagine there are programs out
|
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there that do this...does anyone have one already written?
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PR
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9/18: ?
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Fri Feb 02 09:24:07 1990
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Nope, I was referring to "MONITOR"... but it wouldn't suprise me if monitor
|
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invokes a call to set promiscuious mode to ON...
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Mentor
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10/18: VMS Manuals...
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Name: Pain Hertz #84
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Date: Sat Feb 03 03:49:32 1990
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I have access to a very recent system admins VMS manual. I also have access
|
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to his (lack of) brain(s). I sit down at his terminal, I don't know what his
|
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loginid is... I try his name, then I give the guys name as the psw, Im in...
|
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geez... -PHz
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11/18: Which monitor?
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Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80
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Date: Mon Feb 05 03:56:00 1990
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Which command is it? That does this....I cannot find it!
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Also, do NOT try (from SYSGEN) SYSGEN> SHOW UNIBUS or the system
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will crash! SHOW UNIBUS is more than a simple SHOW command...but don';t
|
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try it...just though I'd let anyone know who may be playing with
|
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any utils on a VMS.
|
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ANyone have any experience with the System Dump Analyzer (SDA)? I have
|
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found a lot of nice shit through playing with SDA analyzing the
|
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running system.
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PR
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12/18: yeah!
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Name: Corrupt #114
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Date: Mon Feb 05 05:11:00 1990
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SDA? U Can Watch the type-Ahead Buffers..and Other Neato Stuff..
|
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Can't you Define your sys$output as sonme_1 else's terminal ? so you can see
|
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what they Do?
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also..anyone have the VMS patch for 5.X systems? now that wuld shock me for
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1990..make my whole year :-)9
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13/18: SDA
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Mon Feb 05 16:54:05 1990
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How would I use this to my advantage? I want DETAILS.
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grey owl
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14/18: SYS$OUTPUT
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Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80
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Date: Tue Feb 06 03:48:35 1990
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I have done this, assinging SYS$OUTPUT to say, _RTA1 or LTA6:, and I am
|
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sometimes able to send things to their screen, like if I did a SHOW USERS, it
|
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would appear on their terminal screen. I did this in a room full of
|
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people with DEC terminals, it was amusing. Of course I didn't interfere with
|
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anything important, but it was interesting to watch peoples reactions!
|
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They would look around and wonder who the heck did that? one person
|
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somehow found out that I had my SYS$OUTPUT defined as his terminal and sent me
|
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a msg back. BUt about SDA, there is so much there... whoever said you can
|
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read the type - ahead buffers, can you give me some more details on this?
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I have only been working with SDA for about 2 weeks or so.
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Psy Ranger
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15/18: Psy
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Tue Feb 06 22:58:26 1990
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Every VAX I've been on that has an ethernet or X.25 connection has had the
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MONITOR command.
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me
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16/18: MONITOR
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Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80
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Date: Wed Feb 07 04:21:00 1990
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Yes, I know the MONITOR command is ther, MONITOR USERS, MONITOR PROCESS,
|
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MONITOR RMS, MONITOR DECNET, MONITOR DISK, etc. etc. but I have not seen
|
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one that read the data....or were you referring to its analysis methods and
|
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not the exact results?
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PR
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17/18: well..
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Name: Corrupt #114
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Date: Wed Feb 07 05:51:16 1990
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pls..some1 get back 2 me on these 3 things
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1)Monitoring ports On DECSERVERS
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2)I have Attach to send stuff to other terminals..:-) fun ! but I Wanna Define
|
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there Sys$output to my terminal to see what they type-real time
|
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3)I knowSome1 Knows Wether They have A VMS 5.X patch but there not saying
|
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anything :-)) !!..not tomention the new zealand BBS is down cause I Messed up
|
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the Patch Doing it by hand..:-((
|
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PLUS[you know how I am about VMS secrets..some of U know anyway :-)
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I almost Never tell Any1 Anything!
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I'll do the sucker move and mail U
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:-Devery1 will know soon anyway!
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18/18: monitor
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Wed Feb 07 18:49:04 1990
|
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You can set flags when you have it monitor decnet that will do an ascii dump
|
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(in 128 byte packets) of everything going across the net. I don't have access
|
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to a vax anymore, and seem to have lost all my old notes, so I don't have the
|
|
exact command.
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Mentor
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1/28: This Sub
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:20:22 1990
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This sub is for discussion of Prime Computers and the Primos operating system.
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Mentor
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2/28: Minor question...
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Jan 11 03:29:53 1990
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just referring to the &on quit$ function..
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umm..i believe it drops user into a second cpl function when any form of break
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is detected...
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however - i cant seem to get it working...
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one i am using... but allows you to send a break before command is done is &on
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break <file>
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but anyway..
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking out
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3/28: !
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 12 03:00:14 1990
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This is kinda interesting...
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I've been finding local primes lately....
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Very odd...I've never really run into them off of networks, yet in the last
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five days, I've run into three.
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Prime isn't my thing, so I want to know where things are kept...also how
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to designate between types of files (ie: ascii & binary) to when I slist
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them I don't get a bunch of shit. Also, is there anything I should
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be keeping an eye out for?
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->ME
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4/28: Erik----
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Fri Jan 12 23:02:11 1990
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Which prefix are all these Primes in? Compuadd has a system in 327 or 328. I
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wanna find this one...heh. Bye bye Compuadd!
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grey owl
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5/28: Do I have a Prime? Why, YES!
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Name: The Operator #42
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Date: Thu Jan 18 22:43:24 1990
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Recently, I paid a friend of mine to haul a Prime Computer to my house. It was
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real neat, but by request of the Warden (Madre') I had to get rid of it...It
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was busted anyway, so I found out, but I kept the manual...If I can get ahold
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of one of them page-scanners, I'll put it on disk and UL it...Lots of neat-o
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stuff...
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Oh by the way, the Prime was from my college..They tossed it out cause they
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just got a Vax 6830 and a Vax 8600...It's in a picture window, and frankly, my
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nipples get hard when I walk through the computer science wing..
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Hitler sends greetings, Parhamster..
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The Operator
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.s
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6/28: Well... i thought
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Fri Jan 19 06:39:18 1990
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that we werent going to get racist on boards...
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i would rather you didnt do it again..
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7/28: Uh,
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 19 12:19:34 1990
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I think he meant his mother, not Adolph...she's kind of
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a nazi, if I remember Operator's stories correctly.
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->ME
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8/28: Oh Erik...Nah.
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Name: The Operator #42
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Date: Fri Jan 19 19:50:07 1990
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Ahh Erik...How quickly you forget! Hitler is my six foot tarantula!
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9/28: binary files
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Name: Gordon Meyer #65
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Date: Sat Jan 20 00:57:13 1990
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You won't want to slist any thing that ends in .RUN .LINK .SAVE .ABBREV
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or .VAR that's for sure. Also, don't try anything that indicates is a segment
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directory or you'll get a bunch of shit too. One thing about Primes is that
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if you do slist a bunch of binary stuff by accident you may end up hanging
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that comm port until they do a reboot... it depends on how they are setup but
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it is possible. Same thing can happen if you enter an application that asks
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for a terminal type and you enter a wrong one.
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Hey...instead of slisting files you want to examine just ED the file and P2
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lines of it....at least that way you won't get a whole screen full of garbage
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if you get a binary file.
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Oh..... .DBMS files are binary too....
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10/28: &on quit$
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Name: Gordon Meyer #65
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Date: Sat Jan 20 00:59:09 1990
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RE: Minor question...
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Phoenix - Not sure but I think you need a &SEVERITY statement in there for
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that to work. I'll check around and let you know if you haven't already
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figured it out by now....
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11/28: not to worry..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sat Jan 20 07:57:06 1990
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i implemented a different trap routine...
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the &severity is usually required for &on &error.. not quit$
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thanks though..
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Phoenix
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12/28: say...
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Name: Phelix The Hack #89
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Date: Wed Jan 24 12:47:25 1990
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Why doesn't omeone go completely out of their way and teach me everything
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about primes?..I mean I suppose I really should actually learn something about
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them someday as many networks see it fit as their controller site...the extent
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of my knowledge is little crib notes I have scribbled all over my "primos"
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area of notes...
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Any one have any good recommended reading on the subject (be they files or
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otherwise)..any tutors (hint Pheonix)
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pth
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13/28: primes...
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Wed Jan 24 14:41:52 1990
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go to the local electronic wholesalers and suppliers and find out who
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supplies primes ot oem and var's. then tell them you are an independant
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consultant and would like info on the systems. they will give you a lot
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of the manuals. i have done this and walked out the door w/ my little
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ranger pick up full.
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i like the fact that the memory is cooled w/ liquid nitrogen.
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14/28: ok.. you talked me into it..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Wed Jan 24 21:37:20 1990
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i havent seen much documentaion around or primes <in terms o iles, plenty o
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manuals though..!>
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umm.. I suppose its about time someone typed something up.. give me a couple
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of days..
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in the mean time post up here what speciics about prime you want to know..
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they are awully big..!
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Phoenix
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15/28: well
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Thu Jan 25 23:58:38 1990
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i'd kinda like some other defaults..or a better way to 'explore' the system..
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right now i have tried cpl, netlink, tele, test, prime, primos, mail, guest,
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demo, and system.... with user id's and pass identicle for over 30 primes i
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scanned. none would let me in....am I doing something wrong..or just unlucky.
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16/28: well
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Fri Jan 26 01:49:03 1990
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primes never were the easiest systems to get into..
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alot less <common> bugs than your average unix..
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and ewer <common> regular accounts, like your average vax.
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Try combinations o Prime,primenet,primos
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eg: Prime, passwd primenet etc...
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Phoenix
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17/28: yeah
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Mon Jan 29 20:34:10 1990
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yeah m,an..i have tons of defaults...try all sorts of combos of them...but i
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guess i just gotta keep trying eh...
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18/28: hey!
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Name: Corrupt #114
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Date: Wed Jan 31 05:56:57 1990
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Here's wot I use[8lgm]?
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network Ninjitsu Hiiiya!
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admin
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cmdnc0
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demo
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diag
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fam
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games
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guest
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help
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info
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jcl
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lib
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library
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netman
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netpriv
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news
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nonetpriv
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prime
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pr1me
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primos
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prime_cl
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regist
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rje
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student
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sysadm
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system
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telenet (or wot ever net it is owned by)
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test
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tools
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it'sby no means complete..and U stillprobablywon't get in most on telnete(usa)
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anyway./..but it like anything else..no garuntees:-))
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any1 got some more common accounts to add?
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Net Ninjitsu![8lgm]!
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19/28: hmm
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Wed Jan 31 21:41:33 1990
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i dontunderstand how ANY nua is owned by any network.. you know? like i can
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access most or all of the primes from telenet or pac*it or probably even
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tymnet if i had a good account...how can the prime be owned by any ONE network?
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Well....thanx for the defaults.... thats cool..
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- Silencer
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20/28: phrased:
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Name: Corrupt #114
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Date: Thu Feb 01 07:04:20 1990
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the context of 'owned' means not literal ownership ofthe DTE and host computer
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(although if U DID find aprime on another net it'S probably OWNED by the
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network itself..) by rather one part of the collective network weave..telenet
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would claim a prime in 03110...understand? soif you found aprime in
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France(02080) you couldpossibly try TRANSPAC as a login/password IDpair....
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Net ninja[8lgm]Corrupted..HiiiiyA!
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21/28: NUA ownership
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Fri Feb 02 22:50:28 1990
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according to TP4 support at Telenet, the person with the NUA actually OWNS
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it... Telenet cannot legally give it out without written consent of the
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company. That does not mean they don't (hehehe), but they aren't supposed to.
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Daneel Olivaw
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22/28: ok
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Sat Feb 03 00:43:37 1990
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ok.....thanx corrupt.....thats helpful..i never quite understood that .. So
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nearly ever NUA within the USA is owned by telenet...rich mutha
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fuckers...heheh..
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23/28: defaults
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Name: Gordon Meyer #65
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Date: Sat Feb 03 09:55:17 1990
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anyknow what the default account for Prime Field Engineer's is? That might be
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a way in.
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24/28: NUAs...
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sat Feb 03 18:42:06 1990
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They are owned by the people that they are conencted to. Not nearly every NUA
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in the States are owned by Telenet. There are about 15 different networks
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that are NOT Telenet. They have NUA's too.
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grey owl
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25/28: ahh
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Name: Corrupt #114
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Date: Sat Feb 03 20:49:11 1990
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but obviosuly were referring to an NUA within a Specified DNIC (which
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determines the net and subsequently the country it's located in)
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So your Saying in Effect the address (like a phone #..is owned by the
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company?..but if they let go ofthe account.(network Connection..()they lose
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the rightto that address.So it's more like....umm
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a co-oop!..plan!
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ss@
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@@
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�
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.s
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26/28: networks in USA
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Mon Feb 05 20:28:36 1990
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Actually try more like 50 nets in USA.
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when most of the countgries in the world only have 1...
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it makes me feel at home! :-)
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Later
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Par
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Jason
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27/28: hehe
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Tue Feb 06 13:29:38 1990
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well it definetely makes me feel home... <we aussies seem to run rampant on
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your nets>
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28/28: Nets
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Tue Feb 06 17:40:41 1990
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Look out... coming soon... everythign.
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Hehe.. actually the USA is pretty nice for PSDN stuff... lots to play with.
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Daneel Olivaw
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< Primes Q-Scan Done >
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______________________________________________________________________________
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*** {HP3000 Computers Sub-Board} ***
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< Q-scan HP-3000s 13 - 41 msgs >
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1/41: This Sub
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:21:00 1990
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This sub is for the discussion of Hewlett-Packard's HP-X000 series (and
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whatever the name of that !@@#$%! operating system is...)
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Mentor
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2/41: things...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Wed Jan 10 04:10:10 1990
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Ya know, I have so many of the fuckers, I could scream.
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I want to use one of them for a pad. I know it's VERY possible, but
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I can't figure out how. I've dug around everywhere looking for
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something even looking like it's the damn tp software or something
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relating to the network, but nada. I was convinced that you could
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somehow use DSLINE with some kind of modifier to call back out, but
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that didn't seem to work. DRAG!
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Does anyone use the fucking things? Has everyone wrote them off?
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Hell, just think of the possibilities of never needing an nui
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again.
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->ME
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3/41: from what I have heard...
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Wed Jan 10 19:10:51 1990
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HPs have been shunned to no end. I understand they are EXTREMELY easy to
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break into (if you call that breaking in.) Erik--did you try calling HP
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dealers and requesting info. on x25 software for your companys system? A
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little social engineering never hurt anyone!
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grey owl
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4/41: extermely easy = understatement
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Jan 11 03:31:31 1990
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very veryvery easy to break into.. and even that is putting it mildly...
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All i have to say is that one o thesedays ill get round to learning the dmn
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system... but till then <yawn>...
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking out...
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5/41: Funny...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Thu Jan 11 13:22:47 1990
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Everyone has the same attitude...I can't imagine Phoenix adopting
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such awful American habits like putting something off until
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"later" hehe...
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As a matter of fact, I was just going through my Datapac scans and get into
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a dumb 3000...
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I don't think mrg.hpword is EVER passworded...some of the time the damn
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thing even has system manager privs... (so a listuser @.@ spews everything
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out quite nicely)
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I think what we need is EastWind on here to enlighten us on the finer
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points of HP-3000. Anyone know him personally?
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->ME
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6/41: x25 via HPx000?\
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Thu Jan 11 18:09:31 1990
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Did anyone ever find out the setup for this? (translation: am I going to
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have to find someone who can munge some X.25 code?)
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grey owl
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7/41: Yeah Yeah Yeah
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Sat Jan 13 08:49:34 1990
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I'll try to get him to ring here.
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anyway...i've also got a friend in South Africa who works for HP down there
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He's offered me the source for MPE V and MPE XL
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trouble is it's all on magtape!
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and if anyone's got a fucking HP they can lend me maybe i could take him up on
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the offer
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anyway i'll try to have him ring here also..
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later,
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Par
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Jason
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8/41: he's
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sat Jan 13 11:42:10 1990
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Your friend from SA is on here...
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Mentor
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9/41: defaults
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Sat Jan 13 16:54:28 1990
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what are some common/default HP-300 accounts?
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HP-3000 even.
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BS
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10/41: big deal...I know
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sat Jan 13 17:34:04 1990
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I scanned an HP-3000 in my exchange and got in on the first try. This was my
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first time to connect to an HP. I never knew how USELESS they were. Can
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someone give my some uses for them?
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grey owl
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11/41: MPE - The best OPSYS ever
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Sat Jan 13 18:52:51 1990
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MPE (Multi-Programming Executive) has to be the best operating system I have
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ever seen. If you have a REALLY smart System Manager,then MPE is one of the
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safest operating systems around. However, most SM's are brain-dead, and leave
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several loop-holes open. The TELESUP is a prime example.
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Try logging in to MGR/MGR.TELESUP/HPONLY,PRV/PRV - this usualy has the same
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priveleges as MANAGER.SYS, so you can do anything.
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If you ever want to get nasty with a system, and slow it down HORRIBLY, run a
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program called COLOSSUS.PUB/.TELESUP, or COLOSSUS.PRV.TELESUP. This is an
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awesome program, (the COLOSSUS part stands for COmprehensive On-Line Oriented
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System Stressing Utility Sets) - this program will stress the living daylights
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out of an HP3000, and slow the whole thing down immensely. NOTE: When you run
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this program, is will give you a "lock", and yopu must enter the key. The lock
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is in the format of a 6-digit number, and the key is calculated as follows:
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Take the second digit of the lock and add 4. This is the first digit of the
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key. Then put in any other digit. Take the third digit of the key and add 5.
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(Sorry, the FOURTH digiti of the lock). This is the third digit of the key.
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Again, add any other digit to make the 4'th digit of the key. Then take the
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LAST digit of the lock and add 6. This is the 5'th digit of the key. Add one
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last digit, and you are in!
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Assuming that the 6 digitis of the lock are ABCDEF, and that X is any digit
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from 0 to 9, then formula for the key is:
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(B+6)X(D+6)X(F+6)X. So if the lock is 108064, the key will be
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4X5X0X - where X is any digit. Simple, but effective.
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If anyone is interested, I have the complete source code for MPE V G.02.04
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(including all the sub-systems) on a HP7980A-readable 6250BPI mag tape (6
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tapes in total), and the complete source code for MPE/XL 1.1 on 2 CD-ROMS.
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I no longer have access to an MPE system, but I can always try and copy the
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tapes at our local HP office if anyone wants them. The CD-ROMS I will NOT part
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with :-)
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If anyone has NUA's for MPE systems, please post. I would be most grateful.
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Bye for now,
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MPE Wiz
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PS: You can tell I used to work for HP, can't you :-)
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12/41: MPE-XL
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Sat Jan 13 20:28:20 1990
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I know I have at least three of those in my notes...I will look for them,
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but for now, could you (Wiz) please tell me if it is possible
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to use a HP-3000 for connections back into the network?
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This would be INFINITELY wonderful.
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->ME
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13/41: And then..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sat Jan 13 21:07:50 1990
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If the above is possible, and you know enough about them... how about running
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a multi line scanner and some other shit off them ?
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking out..
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14/41: good idea!
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sat Jan 13 23:22:51 1990
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With multiple jobs and all available machines you could scan an entirenetwork
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in a couple days!
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grey owl
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15/41: Don't know
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Name: Phase Jitter #3
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Date: Sun Jan 14 01:11:36 1990
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I'm not sure that this is the proper place to post this, but I noticed that
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someone was asking about HP-3000 defaults.. This subject allways seems to come
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up.. Mentor, could you possibly set up some type of databases for defaults
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(where you can enter and read them) I think that might be a good idea...
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Phase
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Legion o' Doom!
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16/41: hmmm
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 14 01:22:17 1990
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I'll add it to the list, right after fixing the Transfer section, G-files, NUA
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database, and misc. systems stuff. <sigh>
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Mentor
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17/41: Help!
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Name: Captain Crook #36
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Date: Sun Jan 14 12:18:02 1990
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OKay, I have 3 HP-3OOO's that all belong to military contractors. I can get
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into all of them (considering I used to work for one of the companies before)
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but when I get in some dipshit put an extra password PROGRAM in. So obviously
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I break out of it BUT when I try to get into the editor it says I can not do
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that in break. So here is my question, how can I snag ASCII files without
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going into the editor.
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cc
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18/41: Hey Par!
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Mon Jan 15 07:22:58 1990
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RE: Yeah Yeah Yeah
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Hi Par.
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Your friend form South Africa was already here :-)
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I am tryinmg to organize an HP3000/MicroGX so that I can port all the relevant
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code accross to my PC. AAll the interesting utilities like DISKEDX, and all
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the accounting routines. If you have PM on any MPE machine, I can get the
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source for a program called GOD, which changes the users capabilities in the
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JMAT and user stack (which is where all MPE commands look for capabilities). I
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will also soon make an ACAD drawing of the MPE SYstem Tables maps, which is
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invaluable information for any MPE hacker. It explains the JMAT, User stack,
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all account,group and user indexes etc. Alternatively, I can try to scan in
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the MPE System Tables Manual, and post it somehwre releavnt, or I can just
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send you a copy?
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Let me know what you want.
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Regards, and phone soon,
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MPE Wiz.
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19/41: Default MPE accounts
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Mon Jan 15 07:28:03 1990
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RE: defaults
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Basically, there is only ONE default MPE account - the SYS account, and there
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is always at least 2 users in this account - OPERATOR.SYS and MAGAER.SYS.
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However, for every sub-system that you install, they all reate default
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accounts. If HP-DESKMANAGER is installed, there is a new group in SYS, called
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HPMAIL, and a new account called HPOFFICE. MGR.HPOFFICE always has PM
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capability. If the customer subscribes to remote support, then TELESUP is
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created. This is a VERY useful account, as it has all the capabilities
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possible on MPE. Try to log on as MGR/MGR.TELESUP.HPONLY,PRV/PRV
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Other sub-systems lke HP-WORD, DS/3000 and NS/3000 etc, all create their own
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accounts.
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Talking about DS/3000, if the site has X.25, and you want to use it to call
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out, try typeing in DSLINE ENET at the : prompt. It should give you an @
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prompt, and from there you just type in C nua to connect to an NUA.
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Hope this helps,
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MPE Wiz
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20/41: DSLINE
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Mon Jan 15 07:29:56 1990
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RE: MPE-XL
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Type in :DSLINE ENET - this should get you to the system PAD, and give you an
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@ prompt, from which you type in C nua
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MPE Wiz.
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21/41: ASCII files
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Mon Jan 15 07:32:34 1990
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RE: Help!
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You can use the FCOPY command and FCOPY the file to your LDEV. However, once
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you have pressed BREAK, you enter the MPE break mode. Just enter :ABORT and it
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should put you back into normal command mode.
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MPE Wiz
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22/41: Damnit...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Mon Jan 15 17:34:05 1990
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I knew DSLINE was the right fucking command...
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Why is it ENET? Is that short for something? Or just a truncated
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TELENET? Damn DAMN DAMN! All this time...
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OK...another HP-3000 problem...
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When you are checking files, and perhaps want to look at one, is there
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an easy way to discern the "type" of file that it is? IE: ascii, binary,
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etc...
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Any other HP help much appreciated...
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->ME
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23/41: Ok Wiz..will do.
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Tue Jan 16 00:31:48 1990
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Wiz whatever u want i can find..
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I'll get on it and have Eastwind give me a sys with taht s/w u are talking
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about
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by the way everone..Dontcha just love this guy?
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Later,
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Par
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Jason
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24/41: hmm
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Tue Jan 16 07:40:07 1990
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he certainly has made hp areas clearer.. im damned surprised that noone
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bothered to igure hp's out though... the help ile is pretty good...
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i keep telling mysel... one o these days <out o character ?>
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damn - got to ix that F key..
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Phoenix
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25/41: File Types
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Tue Jan 16 09:56:05 1990
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RE: Damnit...
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"When you are checking files, and perhaps want to look at one, is there
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an easy way to discern the "type" of file that it is? IE: ascii, binary,
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etc..."
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Yes - the command to do so is LISTF,2 - this will display the files in a full
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format, and after the file name, there will be a file type. All executables
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are of type PROG, text files are of type TEXT etc. I can post a full list of
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file types and what they mean if this would help you any.
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As a matter of interest - ENET stands for Extended-NETwork. It is the X25
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extention to the DS/3000 or NS/3000 packages. Also, a neat little trick thast
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you might try, to run multiple sessions without the risk of having an LDEV
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hang on you, is to DSLINE into your own system. Eg, if your system is called
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"GOLD" on the network, then just DSLINE GOLD - then you can log on again, and
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if anything goes wrong, just press BREAK, followed by a :, which will drop you
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back one DSLINE level.
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Regards,
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MPE Wiz.
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26/41: Hmmm
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Wed Jan 17 02:59:44 1990
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Hmmm was wondering ... on an Hp i'm sure there is some way to spawn a child
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process etc.
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Mpe: how can i do it?
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and how can i do it using DSLINE? (so that i can multi-pad)
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Or is that not possibl;e?
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i know it's possibl;e on almsot every other sys...
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Thanks,
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Par
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Jason
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27/41: Child processes
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Wed Jan 17 15:10:06 1990
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RE: Hmmm
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Jason, if you want to stream a child process, you have to write a little job
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to do what you want to run in background, and then STREAM the job. I'll type
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up a text file on MPE jobs, and post it in a relevant G-FILES section (is
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there one for MPE ???).
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As regards DSLINE, just type in DSLINE and the name of the system you want to
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connect to. I'm not sure if I understand what multi-padding is, so explain it
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to me and I will tell you if it is possible.
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MPE Wiz.
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28/41: multi-padding
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Wed Jan 17 17:00:57 1990
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It should be running more that one DSLINE at a time. Am I right or am I right?
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grey owl
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29/41: Yep
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Thu Jan 18 03:18:57 1990
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Yep GO when you're right.. you're right.
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tahts exactly what i need to be able to do..
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and then to be able to pause each process.
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and switch to one of tjthe others.
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(Hopefulyy relatively fast)
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If u could tell me a little bit about this MPE i'd be n�FD���u���rFD�8full
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��
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thanks,
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Par
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Jason.
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30/41: Shit - you got me there ....
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Thu Jan 18 14:37:36 1990
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RE: Yep
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Par.
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Shit man, you got the stangest requests :-)
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I dont think it is possible to run multiple sessions (interactive) from one
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LDEV (port). What you CAN do is repeatedly DSLINE into your own machine, but
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in order to get back to each parent session, you need to BREAK out of the
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current one, so the proccess is suspended. The cleanest solution is to write a
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job file to do what you want to do, and then STREAM it.
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MPE Wiz
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31/41: does this mean..
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Thu Jan 18 14:49:01 1990
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Does that mean that HP's have no multi-tasking capabilities?! (Obviously I
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don't play in HP's) And all this time I thought they were REAL computers!
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grey owl
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32/41: Hehe
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 19 01:45:27 1990
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I was working on a file a while back on Hp's but was waiting until I
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could figure out a few things, which Wiz cleared up, but now
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I'll let him write one, as he's the expert (OBVIOUSLY!) and he'll do
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a much better job.
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But anyway, it started out:
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If Crays are the Lamborghinis of the Computer world, then HP-3000's
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are the volkswagen Bugs...there's a million of them out there,
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easy as hell to break into, and boring as hell once you're in!
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hehe
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->ME
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33/41: Yes of COURSE ...
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Fri Jan 19 13:09:05 1990
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RE: does this mean..
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Owl, of COURSE MPE can multi-task - but you have obviously been spoled by Unix
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- you cant append an & to the end of an MPE command to make it run in
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background for example. But you can write background jobs, it is just a little
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more work than it is on any other operating system.
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MPE WIz
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34/41: Huh
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Fri Jan 19 13:12:33 1990
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RE: Hehe
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Humph.
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May your face become a battle-ground for evil, smelly warts, and may you
|
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forever be condemned to lick a siphalitic whores arse for so insulting MPE.
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MPE is great, but there are just better opsys's around. If you want a REALLY
|
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shit "operating system" (I shuddder to use the word) - try DOS, or AppleDOS.
|
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Now THOSE are the VW bugs of the opsys world!
|
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Anyway, DOS isn't an operating system - it is a COM and EXE file loader -
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there s a BIG difference :-)
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MPE Wiz (offended!)
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35/41: OS's
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Fri Jan 19 19:20:37 1990
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I don't use MPE that much. Don't rag on MS-Dos tho! It's pretty good for a
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PC. It wouldn't cut the butter on a multi-user system. I am spoiled by Unix
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Wiz.
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grey owl
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36/41: Woah!
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Mon Jan 22 03:36:40 1990
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I wasn't ragging on MPE! Not at all, i was just "JOking" about the large
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|
numbers of hp-3000 systems around the world and the unbelievable ease in
|
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gaining access on one.
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Geez, read...MPE seems ok, just kinda hard to get used to.
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I mean, I'm in HUNDREDS of hp's, but until last year I didn't know what to do
|
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with them...so they just sat there.
|
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UNIX is just as lame security-wise, but On a percentage basis, I have gotten
|
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into 85-90% of the HP's I have found, while I've only gotten into abot 50% of
|
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the UNIXes I've found.
|
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(LOok at me grovel before one of the two HP experts I've ever seen...pathetic,
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isn't it?)
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Wiz, no offense intended towards your adopted os...
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->ME
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37/41: well
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Mon Jan 22 09:27:31 1990
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i tried that networking stu and didnt get very ar <sigh.
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oh well..
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38/41: Well
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Name: Phelix The Hack #89
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Date: Wed Jan 24 12:57:14 1990
|
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..ahving just talked to Mr.E Wind...he assured me that his intrest is indeed
|
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sparked and that he will call here ...as soon as he gets a phone.
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WIZ: Eastwind informs me that he has a way of "entering" ANY hp-3000
|
|
regardless of the type or securitly level of the accts...as I do not consider
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HP's a forte (hah!); and in that I do not know wheter Easty considers it
|
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public knowledge...I will let him explain it when he arrives on this
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system...(but it has to do with submitting a "job" before login...sound
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feasable?..idunno..like i said hp's are not my cup-0-soup, so if that did not
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make sense talk to E.)
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pth
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/
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s/s
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fuck!
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39/41: Thats ok....
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Tue Jan 30 11:53:26 1990
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RE: Woah!
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Hello "Bloody Axe"
|
|
Thats OK - you cant offend me THAT easily. I was only pulling your proverbial
|
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leg. If you have so many HP's, would you care to sahre via E-MAIL please, or
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|
send me a list via UUCP to wiz@tabbs.UUCP.
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Thanks a million.
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MPE Wiz
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40/41: :JOB
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Tue Jan 30 11:56:56 1990
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RE: Well
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Ok, that sounds ALMOST feasible.
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When you log onto MPE, there are 3 ways of doing it:
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:HELLO, :JOB or :DATA.
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:HELLO is interactive,
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:JOB is a batched job file, and
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:DATA is something else which is so uncommon that I dont even know what it ios
|
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:-)
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I have looked at the logon source, and there doesnt appear to be any bug in
|
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the NURSERY code. It can all depend on the version of MPE you are using too. I
|
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am most familiar with G.03.02 (V-Delta II).
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MPE Wiz
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41/41: Reading Security/3000
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Name: Sventek #137
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Date: Wed Feb 07 02:36:50 1990
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Just reading threw the security/3000 system on the HP 3000s, it looks like if
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used to its full extent it could be something. The hp environment is hard to
|
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understand and is full of richs.
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hehehe
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sl8r
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Sventek
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< HP-3000s Q-Scan Done >
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______________________________________________________________________________
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*** {Other Computer Operating Systems Sub-Board} ***
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< Q-scan Other Op. Systems 14 - 42 msgs >
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1/42: This Sub
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:21:46 1990
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Here's where the discussion of op systems that don't have their own sub goes.
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TOPS, AOS/VS, etc.
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Mentor
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2/42: Weird...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 12 02:48:11 1990
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I hate things I know nothing about...
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327-5023 Pollcat V.9
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What the hell is this thing?
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I hate things like this...I can't even evoke much of a response
|
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out of it...
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327-3346 Cooperative Computing...
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Another weird thing. It seems to always say invalid program group,
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unless you type S then hit return, and it says invalid syntax...
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I hate not being able to figure something out immediately.
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I usually just find things, and if they are uneasy to identify I
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hand them out for others to mess with...so expect quite a bit
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of crap like these on this sub in the near future...
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(Yes, I'm scanning 327...should be done tonight...Apologies to people
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in the Westlake area for waking you all up)
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->ME
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3/42: has
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Name: The Data Wizard #16
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Date: Fri Jan 12 17:05:13 1990
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anyone ever messed with a system called Fortune? You connect, hit <Esc> and
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the screen clears and it immediately identifies itself as Fortune System,
|
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blah, blah, blah, and asks for an account. I have found quite a few of these
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damn things and have no idea how to utilize them.. Any help appreciated..
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Later,
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TDW
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4/42: what does this mean?
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sun Jan 14 12:01:53 1990
|
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I found this system that says:
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System/32, VOS Release 6.6x, Module %primefax#m1
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Please login
|
|
What is this? Also, I found a system (probably a front end) that sends
|
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~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~
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?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~??~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~
|
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for several screens and the hangs up. Does anyone recognize this?
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grey owl
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5/42: PollCat
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Name: Captain Crook #36
|
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Date: Sun Jan 14 12:19:07 1990
|
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Yes, I have many Pollcats that I have found after scanning. If you find out
|
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anything on them let me know.
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6/42: OSL Systems
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Name: Captain Crook #36
|
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Date: Sun Jan 14 12:20:23 1990
|
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Anyone know how to get into OSL [i.e. defaults, logins, and anyother shit].
|
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This OSL belongs to Bell Labs and I would be interested in getting in.
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7/42: OSL, Please...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
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Date: Sun Jan 14 19:01:44 1990
|
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Those are some kind of PBX computer I think...at least that's what
|
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we all decided a while back...hell, maybe we were wrong...
|
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type OSL, and it will ask you "Key?" which is a password
|
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of up to 8 alpha-numerics...
|
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->ME
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8/42: That looks...
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
|
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Date: Sun Jan 14 19:29:25 1990
|
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like a IBM System/32 (God.. I thought I trashed the last one.. oh well).
|
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Security should be weak.. real weak...
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Daneel
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9/42: ???? and all that crap that
|
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Name: The Parmaster #21
|
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Date: Tue Jan 16 00:33:21 1990
|
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well as a response to ??????#$#@$
|
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or whatevr the hell went shooting
|
|
across your scren
|
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you can bet that is an x25 dialup etc
|
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Later,
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Par
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Jason
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10/42: Sintran
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Name: Gary Seven #38
|
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Date: Tue Jan 16 18:36:19 1990
|
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Anybody encountered something like this called SINTRAN? I have found by
|
|
exploring this system that i am sure it links to a COSMOS system somewhere.
|
|
By typing a certain command it will try to connect to COSMOS then it says
|
|
something to the tee of You cannot login from this source or you cannot
|
|
connect remote or remote is already connected or something like this. You
|
|
might think of this as a folly but it really says the letters COSMOS. This is
|
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from Telenet.
|
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later
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11/42: COSMOS
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Wed Jan 17 03:01:47 1990
|
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Hmmm dunnoi Gary but i'm sure COSMOS can mean more than just the FD�
|
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bell system..
|
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For instance COSMOS is a program that Citicorp runs on their primes
|
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for their global systems on GTN..
|
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oh welFD�FD�FD� that probly isn;t mFD�uch helpo tho :-(
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Later,
|
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Jason
|
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(Par)
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12/42: All those ~?~? 's
|
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Name: Wiz #25
|
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Date: Wed Jan 17 15:12:38 1990
|
|
RE: what does this mean?
|
|
Owl - I get the same shit with my MNP modem when the protocol gets confused.
|
|
If I turn MNP4 off, then this no longer happens. It seems to be a common bug
|
|
when you have an error correcting link.
|
|
MPE Wiz.
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13/42: sht
|
|
Name: Grey Owl #10
|
|
Date: Wed Jan 17 17:02:25 1990
|
|
I just sold my MNP3 modem. It was a piece of shit but it had a redeeming
|
|
quality (only one, mind you) that it could be configured (for a small fee of
|
|
$60 dollars) for X.25, X.PC or MNP5. I wish I hadn't have sold it now that
|
|
I'm into hacking more than I was...
|
|
grey owl
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14/42: I
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Name: Dtmf #27
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Date: Thu Jan 18 14:09:45 1990
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RE: what does this mean?
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I have run across quite a few systems like the one you described also...They
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were all in Gov't exchanges.. The ~? is something like ansi's feedback of a
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<ctrl-backspace> (try it sometimes at half duplex)...ANyway, at certain
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intervals during the screens are you recieving a 10-12 digit number? If
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anyone out there can describe the steps neccessary to login it would be
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greatly appreciated.
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DTMF
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15/42: read back messages
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Thu Jan 18 14:51:36 1990
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DTMF..we decided that the ~?~?~?'s were either X.25 dialups or forced MNP. I
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think they are MNP. The pattern looks familiar to me since I used to have an
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MNP modem. What I did was send the break string in an MNP connection,
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terminate the MNP on my end and then watch the trash the the MNP modem sent
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across.
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Sounds dumb...I know.
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grey owl
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16/42: ?~?~?~
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Fri Jan 19 18:32:53 1990
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Hahaha...well...I am almost positive that you are at the wrong baud...from MY
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experiances if a system is 1200 max and you connect at 2400 but your modem
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fails to 'downshift' automatically then it will display ?~?~?~?~?~? forever
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until you manually switch the baud with your software or whatever... sounds
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weird but its true. Can anyone help me with this.
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I found a local system to me in the PRE-00xx area that is 110 baud max and
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gives the follwng repsonse at logon.
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MONITOR RUNNING
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STATE REQUEST
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and then sits there it responds with
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ILLEGAL REWQUEST
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to everything I type..I tried everything...numbers words....all sorts of shit
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but always the same..anyone got any suggestions?
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- Silencer
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17/42: ~?~?~?
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Fri Jan 19 20:00:59 1990
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You also get this when a system is attempting to determine your baud rate
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(during the time your pressing <cr>)
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DS
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18/42: 110 baud
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Sat Jan 20 10:45:35 1990
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might be a ttd for the deaf.
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19/42: ...
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Sun Jan 21 05:22:07 1990
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to serve what purpose? like....will TTD's connect to modems? Beside the
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point..what would it be doing in the 00xx area of a prefix and what would it
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be used for? What kind of system could it be?
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20/42: hmmm
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Sun Jan 21 10:25:26 1990
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Ok guys.. go into the telemail phones/phones acct and choose an x.25 dialup
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Call up the fcker and see what it gives u ok? don';t know if it's MNP
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because i'm not sure if the X.25 dialups could REQUIRE that every system have
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MNP ( and i don't think that MNP has anything to do with the X.25 protocol at
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all)
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oh well,
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But what do i know!
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Jason
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21/42: x.25/mnp
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sun Jan 21 11:36:15 1990
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They have nothing to do with eachother except that MNP is commonly use at the
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hardware link level with MNP running in software and sometimes hardware in
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addition. My personal opinion is that X.25 is enough and MNP+X.25 is
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redundant. I have decided that it is a forced MNP modem unless I can prove
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myself wrong!
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grey owl
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22/42: ttd for the deaf...
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Sun Jan 21 23:55:15 1990
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well considering the rising number of services for the deaf and the fact
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that all equipment used by the deaf community must communicate at 110
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baud, they consider it a standard, then i would guess that there might
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be either a private or perhaps a government funded organization that hs
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a dial-up for client usage. also they use baudot,which is also stnd ofr
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110 baud, has something to do with the old ibm type teletypes.
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23/42: VOS
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Name: Mr. Slippery #72
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Date: Mon Jan 22 00:34:01 1990
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VOS is a Stratus operating system. Stratus is fault tolerant; IBM
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resells them as System 88 but I don't know any technical details.
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24/42: plus
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Mon Jan 22 12:35:53 1990
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If you're looking around here in Austin, the Texas School for the Deaf *IS*
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local...
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Mentor
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25/42: That helps... VOS
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Mon Jan 22 22:37:23 1990
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Thanks, I keep forgetting about those Sys/88 machines... if I remeber IBM
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pushes them for brokers...
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Daneel
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PS What is the passwd length on a VOS system? Anybody?
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26/42: pw
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Tue Jan 23 01:09:47 1990
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The only defaults that I konw of are AUTOLOG, NETWORK and AUTOLOG2 (same
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passwords). I'm sure there are more.
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Mentor
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27/42: others.
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Tue Jan 23 19:17:39 1990
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Hmm others i have seen are CMSBATCH/CMSBACTH CMSBATCH/BATCH
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at least i think thats the same sys.
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oh wel.
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fuck it.
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fuck it all.
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Jaso
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28/42: fuck that!
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Name: Corrupt #114
|
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Date: Thu Feb 01 07:11:22 1990
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I'm Putting My Foot Down..
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Someone help me with ROM'S please?
|
|
sorry..ROLM'S...what Exactlyare they..
|
|
defaults..ect...
|
|
and howdo you programthem?(if possible)
|
|
asI understand they run/configure a PBX.....more than interesting tomy ass
|
|
:-) Corrrrrrupt..So feds..please think twice..would you jointhenavy if you
|
|
didn't like the gravy and rice? Think about it...
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29/42: ROLM
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Thu Feb 01 14:30:47 1990
|
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yea.... Voice Mail System (ha)... A pbx w/ VMB features... Try #'s in the
|
|
512-823-xxxx area and mess around with 'em (IBM's 'reserved' prefix)... I've
|
|
got some scan results sitting around here... I also have the # users call into
|
|
to read mail & modify greeting... If anyones interested I'll see if I can find
|
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it again and post it.
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DS
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30/42: ROLM
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Name: The Blade #64
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Date: Fri Feb 02 13:56:44 1990
|
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|
|
ROLM pbx's usally have a carrier in the 99xx range. This carrier lets you
|
|
configure the pbx, which can be used for various fun things. The pw half the
|
|
time is what it says in the upper left hand corner on the screen. (i.e.
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MEGACORP, TOMS HARDWARE, etc.).
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The
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Blade
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31/42: IBM
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
|
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Date: Fri Feb 02 22:51:39 1990
|
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IBM's main number in Austin is 838... this is where most things are located..
|
|
there are numbers in the 823 range though. ROLM's are nbice, but they are
|
|
wierd...
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Daneel Olivaw
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32/42: damn...
|
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Name: Dark Sun #11
|
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Date: Fri Feb 02 23:14:23 1990
|
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thought to keep it a secret (838 that is) to people round here :-)
|
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DS
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33/42: Why...
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
|
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Date: Sat Feb 03 13:04:56 1990
|
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�it in the phone book... what I don't give out is the data �k��lin�ms
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|
|
damn line noise
|
|
I don't give ou�t the data lines...
|
|
��
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|
Daneel Olivaw
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34/42: but...its
|
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Name: Dark Sun #11
|
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Date: Sun Feb 04 17:50:39 1990
|
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listed as a normal prefix.
|
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DS
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35/42: So...
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
|
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Date: Sun Feb 04 21:34:28 1990
|
|
everything is listed as a normal prefix...
|
|
it would look odd if SWB published this:
|
|
870-XXXX LMOS System
|
|
870-XXXX COMSMOS Syste,
|
|
The idea is not to publish them... it just happens if you think about it.. IBM
|
|
has 7000 employees is Austin, and most have an 838 prefix for their phone,
|
|
seems to me they own the 838 prefix..
|
|
Daneel Olivaw
|
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|
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36/42: ROLM
|
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Name: Phelix The Hack #89
|
|
Date: Mon Feb 05 11:44:53 1990
|
|
well heres some info...ROLM was bought out by IBM in 1984...who then
|
|
introdeuced the CBX..as in computerized brach exchange the the world. It is
|
|
rumored (?) to be fully digital..but I have my doubts...and it can pretty
|
|
easily be programmend..as opposed to AT&T 25/75 or sl1's...to set up private
|
|
DISA's and what not..
|
|
pth
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37/42: ROLM
|
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
|
|
Date: Mon Feb 05 19:56:23 1990
|
|
and then ROLM was 50% sold to Siemens (nice name) in 1989..
|
|
The Rolm CBX ][ is fully digital (at least once it digitizes your voice at the
|
|
phone set), and it is a bitch to get a modem line on. I know this from
|
|
experience.... however, on all the sets I've seen there is a RS-232C port on
|
|
back of the phone, and I believe that it has a maximum bandwidth of roughly
|
|
56Kbps... I'm not sure, but I'll see if I can get docs from one of the techs.
|
|
Daneel Olivaw
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38/42: rolm
|
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Name: Dark Sun #11
|
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Date: Tue Feb 06 00:22:52 1990
|
|
yea... ibm kept marketing I think...
|
|
DS
|
|
BTW in the offices that require modems they install "analog" lines...
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|
|
39/42: DISA
|
|
Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80
|
|
Date: Tue Feb 06 03:56:16 1990
|
|
|
|
I have looked into flicking on a DISA line via RMATS or similar...
|
|
anyone have solid info on this? I have MITEL sx-100/200 manuals...about three
|
|
manuals which describe everything on their system, including DISA
|
|
features.. ��
|
|
Psychedelic ranger
|
|
Anyone ever find DISA lines that respond to # and * before you enter the
|
|
access code (if it has one which most do...i remember a few years ago there
|
|
would sometimes be 9-able PBX DISA lines on 800 numbers..those were
|
|
very nice but naive. I know on some you can do # and * and sometimes get speed
|
|
calling codes (like #9, #90, #x...x, etc.) AFTER you are "cleared" wuith
|
|
the intial access code. But it is usually inconclusive to mess with the
|
|
# and * bore the code, at least in my experience.
|
|
PR
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|
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40/42: DISA
|
|
Name: Phelix The Hack #89
|
|
Date: Tue Feb 06 12:13:56 1990
|
|
I can get you anything you need about DISA's...I always make a # part of the
|
|
paswd string as a "initiator"...so that an acccidental key stroke by a foolish
|
|
"paying" custi=omer who has misdialed is not logged as "invalid
|
|
attempt"..which would alert them of your DISA..
|
|
pth
|
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|
|
41/42: Colgate ICCS
|
|
Name: Landmine #86
|
|
Date: Tue Feb 06 14:42:27 1990
|
|
does anyone know anything about this type of OS?It requests a LOGON. I tried
|
|
alot of things, but it sayes nothing but LOGON please. If anyone have any
|
|
info on this please leave it.
|
|
|
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|
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42/42: ROLM PBXs again...
|
|
Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
|
|
Date: Tue Feb 06 17:43:17 1990
|
|
I was looking at the docs the other day, and noticed something interesting.
|
|
There would seem to be a security hole in the mail part of the CBX (voice mail
|
|
that is). It seems it only care what line it goes to... not who. hehe, could
|
|
make for some interesting fun. Oh yea, ROLM on an oscilliscope is
|
|
interesting. It does some digital multiplexing, so data transfers are limited
|
|
(at least as far as standard modems are concerned). Direct digital is fine,
|
|
just it the multiplexing screws up the analog/digital transmissions of a modem.
|
|
Daneel Olivaw
|
|
It's all in the timing.
|
|
|
|
< Other Op. Systems Q-Scan Done >
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|
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______________________________________________________________________________
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*** {Computer Programming Sub-Board} ***
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< Q-scan Programming 15 - 27 msgs >
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1/27: This Sub
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
|
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:22:57 1990
|
|
This sub is intended for discussing issues relating to computer programming.
|
|
This does *not* have to be related to hacking/phreaking - if you've got a
|
|
question about how to do something on a PC or mainframe, or have an
|
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interesting bit of code to share, please feel free.
|
|
Mentor
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2/27: MODEMS and Turbo
|
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
|
Date: Tue Jan 09 14:37:08 1990
|
|
How do I make the modem bark from turbo pascal?
|
|
Someone send me a line of code that will just make the damn thing dial.
|
|
That's all I need...I can figure the rest out.
|
|
->ME
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3/27: Wel...
|
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
|
|
Date: Tue Jan 09 18:28:33 1990
|
|
if only it were that easy... The problem is that there is no easy way to use
|
|
the modem from Pascal, C, or any language for that matter. I have some good
|
|
libraries for C, and I can get some for TurboPascal, but... you know how DOS
|
|
is...
|
|
Daneel
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4/27: C
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Name: The Mentor #1
|
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Date: Wed Jan 10 00:58:29 1990
|
|
I've got a short (10 line) program in Microsoft C that lets you send/receive
|
|
to the modem. I'll dig it up and post it.
|
|
Me
|
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5/27: Pascal/modem
|
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Name: Grey Owl #10
|
|
Date: Wed Jan 10 19:12:00 1990
|
|
If I can find it all, I'll put up ASYNC11. It's a decently documented
|
|
Turbo Pascal Unit for guess what...async stuff. It's my first choice for an
|
|
async driver.
|
|
grey owl
|
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6/27: ok...
|
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
|
Date: Thu Jan 11 03:33:54 1990
|
|
this should possibly be on unix but.. ill put it both..
|
|
how do i configure cu to call out on x25 ?
|
|
i have found occassionally a prepared cu command <usualyy renamed to cux25 or
|
|
something like that> and desperately need to know how toconfigure it myself,
|
|
in order to get a unix version of defcon running...
|
|
Phoenix
|
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<The Flatline>
|
|
Jacking out..
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|
7/27: what's..
|
|
Name: Grey Owl #10
|
|
Date: Thu Jan 11 18:10:18 1990
|
|
Phoenix: What's defcon? (answer in the unix section)
|
|
grey owl
|
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|
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8/27: o
|
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Name: Dtmf #27
|
|
Date: Thu Jan 18 14:13:51 1990
|
|
I have a short program in DCl for the vax that emulates the login sequence for
|
|
my local college computer network. It traps the passwords etc etc. The only
|
|
thing is, you have to run it on a terminal that someone else would be using.
|
|
Is anyone out there familiar enough with devicae manipulaton on VAX/VMS 5.x to
|
|
be able to instruct me as to how I should go about getting it on a terminal
|
|
without actually being there?
|
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|
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9/27: JPI TopSpeed C professional
|
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Name: Wiz #25
|
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Date: Thu Jan 18 14:41:46 1990
|
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Since you people have much better access to pirated software, please could you
|
|
all keep your eyes peeled for JPI TopSpeed C PRofessional? If you DO get a
|
|
copy, please post it to me. If you get it I will give you my address.
|
|
I can be VERY grateful when I want to be, get my drift ????????
|
|
MPE Wiz
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10/27: I don't think...
|
|
Name: Grey Owl #10
|
|
Date: Thu Jan 18 14:53:38 1990
|
|
Read the info-file for the Phoenix Project. I don't think this board is
|
|
supposed to be spreading pirated stuff due to the nature of taps (most likely)
|
|
on the BBS line.
|
|
I'm not condoning the buying of legitamit software, I'm just trying to look
|
|
out for fellow pirates.
|
|
grey owl
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11/27: Ok
|
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Name: Wiz #25
|
|
Date: Fri Jan 19 13:15:04 1990
|
|
RE: I don't think...
|
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Sorry Owl, you are right. If I EVER get validated on Circus Maximus, I will
|
|
ask for this there. However, if someone has it and can send it to me via MAIL,
|
|
then this BBS isn't compromised, is it?
|
|
MPE Wiz (hopefully)
|
|
|
|
12/27: hallo.
|
|
Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28
|
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Date: Fri Jan 19 16:02:49 1990
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|
|
|
Hey la. I'm a telelcommunications (primarily, aren't we all) programmer.
|
|
Under PC/MS-DOS I write under TurboPascal and Assembly. Anyhow, I'm a fidonet
|
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programmer and sysop, and lal la la. Some of you might know me from the past
|
|
(Tales Gallery). I wrote Criminis, which was never distributed out of
|
|
BetaSoft form that would Randomly (Random-DBase, extremely good) search
|
|
prefixes for carriers. Was going to write a Script hacker but got lazy. And
|
|
probably will write a network scanner, if anyone gives me schematics on what
|
|
it should do.
|
|
TURBO PASCAL OR ASSEMBLY OR EVEN C PROGRAMMERS WITH A WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF
|
|
FIDONET. I'm looking for someone to help me work on some code I'm
|
|
developing, a new BBS software that will work under Fidonet AND UUCP and
|
|
perhaps CyberNet (my own invention). If you're interested, contact me here or
|
|
on 1:141/234@Sicilumm.Thorne
|
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Sic.
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13/27: stuff
|
|
Name: The Mentor #1
|
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Date: Sat Jan 20 03:04:18 1990
|
|
Wiz- This board is so compromised that it might as well be run out of
|
|
Washington. Assume everything you post is read by the Secret Service, NSA,
|
|
CIA, FBI, and the security departments for any telco you can name. If it's any
|
|
comfort, I don't think we have any South African feds on here.
|
|
re: encryption
|
|
Ok, I'm thinking about writing a short, downloadable program that will allow
|
|
people to decrypt an encrypted mail message. This way no one would be able to
|
|
see the true text if there's a data tap on the line. You'd call in, buffer
|
|
your encrypted mail, and decrypt it with a prearranged key from the safety of
|
|
your home. I could write the thing in basic so that it'd run on damn near any
|
|
system (it'd be a modified version of my Cellular Automata program from the
|
|
tech journal #3 - available from the d/l section).
|
|
Any comments?
|
|
Mentor
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14/27: Yes - I've already written it
|
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Name: Wiz #25
|
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Date: Sat Jan 20 07:00:36 1990
|
|
RE: stuff
|
|
Mentor.
|
|
I have already written an encrypted front-end to the Unix "Korn" chat for DOS
|
|
machine, but I am in the porcess of making it a bit more generic. It is nearly
|
|
done, and if anyone is interested, I will post it here.
|
|
As regards South Africa feds - they are all so barin-dead that they wouldn't
|
|
know what the word "hack" even meant. ^^^^=brain
|
|
MPE Wiz
|
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15/27: you could...
|
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Name: Dark Sun #11
|
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Date: Sat Jan 20 10:27:40 1990
|
|
Make the whole board encrypted... Doesnt WWIV use just 1 routine for I/O?
|
|
DS
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16/27: ummm
|
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Name: The Mentor #1
|
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Date: Sat Jan 20 11:53:23 1990
|
|
Think on that a second. If I encrypt the entire board, then either *everyone*
|
|
knows the key (which defeats the purpose) or I have a differently encrypted
|
|
version for each caller (wasteful).
|
|
Wiz-
|
|
Is this a DES-based crypt? I am suspicious of most common crypt machines.
|
|
Mentor
|
|
17/27: umm
|
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Name: Dark Sun #11
|
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Date: Sat Jan 20 12:17:00 1990
|
|
RE: ummm
|
|
Well, what you might do is restrict access to all but the general board sectio
|
|
n if the caller does not have the encryption. BTW, Mentor, I took you're
|
|
cellular encryption method and converted that into a chat encryption program
|
|
that will work over anything (except typing gets slowed down by 1/2 because
|
|
before every encrypted character it sends a "%".
|
|
DS
|
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18/27: Yes - it has DES
|
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Name: Wiz #25
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Date: Sat Jan 20 20:03:37 1990
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Mentor.
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Yes - the new version now has DES, as well as a Vernam-cypher, and a custom
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encryption method I dreamed up. I will list the features below, but first one
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question: Will it be OK if the program uses the entire ASCII set (0-255), or
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do I have to add an option to mask all characters out of the range 32-127 ?
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If you want to know what ECHAT has, it can:
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a) Do buffered inoput and output, in a split-screen mode. This is usefull for
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the "Korn" chat, as quite often the text gets garbled when two users send a
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message at the same time. (This buffereing will be optional).
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b) Have a complete back-scroll buffer, up to 64K long
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c) Has a dialing directory, so you can dial from it too
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d) Has a two-way Eliza Parser, so you can fool the bloody Itals on Altger if
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you like
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e) It can filter out messages from specific users, and alternatively
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ignore/send a response/use Eliza on the user(s)
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f) USe Either DES, Vernam-cypher, or my own custom encryption
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g) Log everything to disk if you like
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h) Run in 43/50 line mode if you have the hardware
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i) Have a note-pad facility so you can make notes as you go along on the system
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j) Have several macro hot-keys, to save you typing in all the boring logons
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k) Supports from 110 up to 38400 BAUD, and has FOSSIL support
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l) Can use COM1-COM8, so it is quite flexible
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And as I go along, I add in all sorts of extra little bits which I think will
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be usefull. As soon as the current version is finished, Iwill upload it here
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fro evaluation. Unfortunately, it only runs under DOS, so all the Aplle/Amiga
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users will have a problem, unless I can get it converted for those machines.
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MPE Wiz
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19/27: hmmm
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 21 17:15:18 1990
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Sounds neat! I'd love to look at it.
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Mentor
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20/27: This might sound idiotic...
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Name: Maze Master #92
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Date: Wed Jan 24 22:11:46 1990
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however, can anyone tell me what is the '$emit(.....)' command is? I found it
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in a source for a program written in C and compiled with Computer Innovations
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Optimizing C86 compiler. Later.....
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MM
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21/27: CU
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Name: The Prophet #104
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Date: Fri Jan 26 17:54:50 1990
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Hm... To use CU fr X.25 connections, you have to specify an X.25 device (in
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the Devices file) as the outdialing device.
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-TP
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22/27: $emit(...)
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sun Jan 28 00:09:16 1990
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this command allows you to insert an opcode into the object file if for some
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unknown reason you don't have an assembler.... CI-C sucks, but that's the
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breaks....
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grey owl
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23/27: fortran
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Name: Corrupt #114
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Date: Wed Jan 31 05:51:02 1990
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in VMS..whats the system call in fortran...specifically for DCL..is it
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LIB$CALL..I keep forgettin' :-(
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Alos..I have some modem programs for vms in VAXbasic but I can't
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uploadanything cept ascii but ifyour in DIRE need I7ll do it at mylesiure...
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my space bar still is messedup
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protenatious dirt stains prove anethetical tomost fibers?
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24/27: well....
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Wed Jan 31 12:18:18 1990
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i for one would like to see it.
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25/27: yep
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Wed Jan 31 16:32:33 1990
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LIB$CALL works. You can also assign it to environment variables...
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Anyone know where to get a used Microvax cheap? With manuals... Wouldn't that
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be a cool system?
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Mentor
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26/27: well...
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Thu Feb 01 10:51:38 1990
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i will see what i can find. no promises.
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27/27: Hal/S
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Name: Cygnus 61 #48
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Date: Fri Feb 02 14:33:37 1990
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I have recently uncoverd a Nasa programming manual and would like to find a
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system to progam in Hal/S. It resembles fortran in the first degree. MOst
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defense contracter that had done work on the space shuttle would have it but
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if you have seen it around let me know please. (damn 40 col.)
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Cygnus 61
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< Programming Q-Scan Done >
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______________________________________________________________________________
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*** {Social Engineering Sub-Board} ***
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< Q-scan Social Engineering 16 - 27 msgs >
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1/27: This Sub
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:24:00 1990
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This sub is for the discussion of Social Engineering techniques. For the
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novices here, Social Engineering is the art of extracting information over the
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phone (or in person) by fast-talking someone into telling you things they
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shouldn't...
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Mentor
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2/27: Welp
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Name: Acid Phreak #8
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Date: Tue Jan 09 18:01:26 1990
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Just how "open" is this sub?
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3/27: social engineering
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Tue Jan 09 21:14:58 1990
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I wrote a short file about this. It covers everything Ithought of while I
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was writing it. I'll upload it.
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grey owl
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4/27: ?
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Wed Jan 10 00:58:51 1990
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Open? Everyone has access to it, talk about whatever you want.
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Mentor
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5/27: hmm..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Jan 11 03:36:04 1990
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In australia we call social engineering bullshitting...
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for some reason or other.. most hackers are good at it..
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Personally - i only opt for it when all other options are wasted..
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Admittedly though it is damn effective when used properly...
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I guess the best method is to simply prepare what you say before saying iut...
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not to go in blind.. etc...
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<god is there a board this thing doesnt have ?>
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6/27: ?
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Thu Jan 11 21:18:29 1990
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Social engineering is probably the easiest way to get into a system (other
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than unchanged defaults). The stupidity of the average system or network
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manager amazes me. There's *still* some moron at WESPAC that thinks I'm a
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network engineer in Cincinatti - everytime I talk to him, he's happy to let me
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know the latest gateway passwords, newest systems, etc. He's bought into this
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for well over 2 years...
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Mentor
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7/27: net enigneer in Cinci
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Fri Jan 12 23:04:15 1990
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all I have to say abou that is JEEEEEEEEEZUS! Some poeple are soooo stoopid.
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grey owl
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8/27: Mentor..
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Name: Frame Error #5
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Date: Sat Jan 13 12:10:10 1990
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..No way! You're still talking to that guy? I remember when we first
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started out scanning on WESPAC. Wasn't he the same guy who gave you the
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network access password to that GS/1>? I think the PW was 'rosebud' or
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something similar. What a joke.
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FRAME ERROR
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9/27: yep
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sat Jan 13 15:20:13 1990
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Yep, that's him. Nice guy...
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Mentor
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10/27: Switching
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Name: Gary Seven #38
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Date: Tue Jan 16 18:40:29 1990
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Ok, once you have bs'd the SCC number (Switching Control Center) for the
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Telco what kinda tricks on your line can you do. How do you bs a forwarded
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number? This might be TOOOO open so if you would like to help me send me mail
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for further contacts.
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later
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11/27: asdf
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Name: Dtmf #27
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Date: Thu Jan 18 14:15:39 1990
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We always used the SCC as an easy alternative to CNA...
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DTMF
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12/27: CNA / SCC
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Name: The Dictator #43
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Date: Thu Jan 18 18:23:17 1990
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You can find out a lot of shit from SCC about C or D orders, or anything like
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that on a subscribers line...its kinda funny. CNA or CN/L or CNA/L is so
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goofed up these days, that if I dont use SCC then Ill try my luck through
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Lmos...
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The Dictator
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13/27: 800 Pots
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Name: The Dictator #43
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Date: Thu Jan 18 18:28:13 1990
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Anyone who has had any luck with the setting up (not the identifing) of 800
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posts, please leave me some mail..I got some questions.
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The Dictator
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14/27: 'Wunga Wunga' I hear them chant..
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Name: The Operator #42
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Date: Thu Jan 18 22:46:54 1990
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Can anyone help me out in getting the official address of someone with a P.O.
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box without directly calling them and bullshitting, or physically trailing
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them? I tried calling the post office and telling them I was from G.O.D. and I
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needed a residential address cause we didnt deliver to P.O. boxes and the Mail
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God told me that he couldnt give that info out unless I came down with a form
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and ID and all that shit...
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Lemme know..
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The Operator
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15/27: Things...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 19 01:52:34 1990
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Hell, if CNA doesn't work, call the Business office that covers the
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exchange for that area code. Tell them you are So & So from Whatever Bell,
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and that CNA doesn't have a current listing for a/c-nnx-xxxx and would they
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please check the name listed for the account. You will usually need
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to give them the CNA number to "Prove" you are who you say you are.
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This works just as well for non-pub's and they will usually give
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you the address and other lines at that address if you say please.
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(BTW: don't fuck up and call them daily and do it for a BUNCH of
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numbers...especially if you are after 512 numbers!)
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Setting up 800 translations for a pots is a pretty simple thing.
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You need an SCCS. That's about it. Real rough...I think you can
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even get a Nation-wide one, but you might need to be on one that
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controls a 5e...I don't know. Mark? You know. What is it?
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->ME
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16/27: .
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Name: Frame Error #5
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Date: Fri Jan 19 14:59:48 1990
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About engineering the SCC as an alternative to CNA - I wouldn't do it.
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Simply because there are many other more worthwhile things to do with the
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SCC than find someone's name and address from a number. Use the business
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office. They are usually more unaware of things like that.
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To set up an 800, I think you have to have access to a 4E toll switch.
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Correct me if I'm wrong.
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FRAME ERROR
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17/27: ..
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Fri Jan 19 18:38:28 1990
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I think someone told me that the Uiversity (in 805) will be going up again
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soon with an 800 number. HAHAHA... If its true.. I think i will fucking
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explode. Thats hilarious.
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18/27: 800 Pots
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Name: The Dictator #43
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Date: Sat Jan 20 02:17:23 1990
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Well..My problem is ... I have identified a few 800 POTS in my area...
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Im just having trouble thinking of the terminology to use when calling the SCC
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to set up the #.
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Usually when I have #s being RCFd, I do it another way...
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The Dictator
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19/27: Legal
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Name: The Blade #64
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Date: Mon Jan 22 13:15:13 1990
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When you BS a bell office, say the res billing office, and extract subscriber
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information, saying you're from repair or whatever, are you breaking the law?
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If so what law? Can you get arrested for it?
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I doubt it, it's the companys fault if they give you the info..
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Blade
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20/27: try freud...
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Tue Jan 23 13:34:32 1990
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and it can get you busted.
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21/27: well...
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Name: Phelix The Hack #89
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Date: Thu Jan 25 12:44:18 1990
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Frame Error:...i assume that they are talking about "enigineering a WATS line
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into existance"...not actually physically seting one up off a DS1 (or simialr)
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toll switch ...(not that it cannot be done, but rather in that this is the
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engineering sub)
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Dictator:...I thought I had told you how to do it on atlantis or someplace?
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Everone:
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Please take whose-ever advice it was and save the SCC for "important"
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things...just about any inter-office/ field office has access to half a dozen
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system that can be used to cross reference names to address to billing address
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to Cable pair to feeder posts to ...etc....
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call the LAC or Roadblock or FAC or RMA or RCMAC or whatever....if for no
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other reason that because the employees have a tendencey to be ALOT less
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TEchnically oriented and (no offence (sp?) also tend to be women..which I find
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easier to engineer...wheras I have never encounter anything but men at the SCC.
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PO Boxes:
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If you have a CBI acct you can specify a F- option which will print out BOTH
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home and PO address IF THEY BOTH ARE ON FILE (which they usually are)....or if
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you can get any other point from which to referance you can always turn to
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your RBOC...
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you know I really cannot spell...
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pth
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22/27: Not
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Name: The Blade #64
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Date: Tue Jan 30 13:36:49 1990
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Supernigger has NOT been busted, just busy. Also, his computer is busted so
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he really can't call out. He will be here just as soon as he fixes his term.
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Blade
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23/27: Does anyone
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Name: Alter Ego #110
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Date: Wed Jan 31 07:10:11 1990
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have any text files on Social Engineering or any tips... I would greatly
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apperiacte it...
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Alter Ego
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24/27: I think
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Wed Jan 31 14:44:24 1990
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I think I might be able to upload my file on social engineering. You'll
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notice that most of it is common sense, but not everyone thinks of
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_everything_.
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grey owl
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25/27: RMA
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Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80
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Date: Fri Feb 02 04:26:31 1990
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Hm. WHen I hear RMA, I think of it in the FACS context, that is
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Request for Manual Assistance, which pops up when there is a trouble
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in the automatic service provisioning flow. The LAC gets these RMA's,
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at least in my area. Shit, as far as having line info, that is everywhere,
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as Phelix mentioned...shit, QDN, ISH, INQ, /FOR DMLR, etc. etc...
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26/27: well..
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Name: Phelix The Hack #89
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Date: Mon Feb 05 11:49:47 1990
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you are correct about the FACS/RMA relation ship but oft times RC/MAC is also
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reffered to as RMA..and not as RC/MAC.
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hmm..well i don't think that the COSMOS line inquiries or the LMOS are quite
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what people had in mind..:)
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pth
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(you know I had n=vowed that I would never use a cutelsy smiley face!)
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pth
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27/27: DAMN!
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Mon Feb 05 20:33:06 1990
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PHELIX!?!?! DAMN!!!
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Are you getting SOFT on us?!?!
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:-)
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Later,
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PAr
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JASON
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< Social Engineering Q-Scan Done >
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_____________________________________________________________________________
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*** {Electronic Banking Sub-Board} ***
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< Q-scan Electronic Banking 17 - 12 msgs >
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1/12: This Sub
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:26:18 1990
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This sub is for the discussion of all the aspects of late-20th century banking
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such as Electronic Fund Transfers, Routing Codes, Automatic Tellers, etc.
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While some hackers have been active in this area for some years, it is only
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recently that it is being discussed in the mainstream. Because of the
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sensitivity of some of the information that may be posted here, this is one of
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the two subs (Drugs is the other one) that allows anonymous posting.
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Mentor
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2/12: EFT
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Tue Jan 09 14:46:26 1990
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I don't know why Mentor put this here, but I suppose everyone knows by now.
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I have a few friends who have worked in banks as tellers. The system I got a
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chance to look at first hand through him was weird. It was some big beast
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of a system, with each teller having his own telex terminal. Very strange.
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Kind of reminded me of the setup travel agents have. VERY weird. He showed
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me how to use it though. Hell, they trained him for a few months, so I didn't
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feel bad about not getting the hang of it in the hour I was there.
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Computer assisted banking transactions are not anywhere near as easy to
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perform as glamorized in the movies. None of this transfer from here to there
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with a simple keystroke bullshit. Banks are fucked. Everything has to be
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approved, verified, stamped, signed etc...well, maybe not all that, but
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there are a LOT of things to take into consideration, and if ONE little
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thing isn't there, the whole thing aborts...like, if one response wasn't letter
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perfect, the thing rejected the whole transation. I guess I can understand
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that, as banks do the SAME thing over and over, and there really isn't any
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reason to have changes in the data format.
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One nifty system I'm in in California will allow you to do all kinds of neato
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things. It's on telenet too. Lots of banks on telenet. One interesting
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thing is that the California one rejects when you call the main address...but
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when you connect to the right sub-address *BOOM* you're in. There is only
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one sub address that works too. Wild. Would have kept out most people.
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->ME
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3/12: ok... i admit it i work/soon to be worked in a bank
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Jan 11 03:42:26 1990
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true.. transactions are very very very hard to perform frfom remote..
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First a system emulator would be nice... <banks tend to use really wierd sys
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emulation>
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Secondly online transactions from front office terminals are only available
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during business hours... they shut down at other times.. only thing operating
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is atms.. and <most> they use encryption anyway.
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Next you need to know pretty much how the bank works in order to perform
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correct transaction... all sorts of system codes... bank codes and a whole
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stack of other shit.
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Of course before any of this can take place.. a valid sign on is required...
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99% of the time these sign ons are the employees salary number with the same
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password. But then there is the problem of each user only being allowed on the
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system once..between the hours of 9-5. So the solution ? I dont know.. i
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joined the bank to investigate such things.. and have done so pretty
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thoroughly <which is whyy i have just posted notice o resignation>. The only
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way i have found to actually rip off a bank has nothing to do with
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computers... so there...
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking out..
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4/12: ATM Encryption
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Thu Jan 11 21:21:10 1990
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But most of the ATM encryption schemes I've played with were fairly easy -
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ranging from straight rotation to one- and two-table schemes. As DES chips
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become common, it will become more difficult - I don't understand why they
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don't use more robust encryption methods now. I mean, the one I did in LOD TJ
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#3 is unbreakable by anything this side of an XMP-1, and even that would take
|
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awhile. Single-state machines are the wave of the encryption future...
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The Mentor
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Legion of Doom!
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5/12: hmmm ever heard of...
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Sat Jan 13 08:59:28 1990
|
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Ever heard of a three character control-character (stupidly phrased but
|
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i'm hung over) sequence for citicorps systems that drops you right in for
|
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maintenance?
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anyway heard it from some guy who used to work for them.
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he showed a friend of mine so apparently it's true..
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only need the last character to the sequence.
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some day when i'm board i suppose i should try it.
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i have control characters 1 and 2...
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have to take a rainy day and try to find 3.
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Later,
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Par
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Jason
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.
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6/12: ^E
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sat Jan 13 11:43:56 1990
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I know of systems that send your their TRW login when you connect to them if
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you type ^E... I hadn't heard of the front end hole, though. How do you know
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when you have the first two characters right? (Or the first one, for that
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matter... gotta start somewhere.) As far as Citicorp systems go, which type
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is it in? It's not in their VAXen, at least.
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Mentor
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7/12: Mentor
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sat Jan 13 17:35:49 1990
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who owns the ^E systems? TRW is fun for a couple of calls.
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grey owl
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8/12: interesting
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sat Jan 13 21:09:28 1990
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master control sequence on citi could actually be useful..
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I hope it rains soon..
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9/12: CITI..
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Sun Jan 14 03:05:04 1990
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It supposedly works from any of their online terminals..
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And i know that the first two i have are correct...
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Because the tech was a nice guy and told me.
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Anyway what does he give a fuck...
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He doesn';t work for 'em anymore.
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When he demo'd it to my friend he used dialupo access ..
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So maybe it can be done on some of those weird GTN systems all over the world..
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Anyway i lied... it's not all control charatcers :-)
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But however starts with one.
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Later,
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Par
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Jason
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10/12: ^E
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Name: The Blade #64
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Date: Mon Jan 22 13:16:59 1990
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^E = Telex if you are talking about that.
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11/12: TV
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Name: Cassius Cray #135
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Date: Tue Feb 06 06:57:39 1990
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Did any body see that show "Beyond 2000" where they talked about Computer
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Crime? They showed this guy who tapped into a bank computer got it to give
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his computer the digital tone file of the ATM and then he recorded them on
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audio tape, pasted the tape on cardboard ATM sized cards and got tens of
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thousands of dollars ... The Service Secret showed a stack of cardboard ATM
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cards by the hundreds... I taped the show it's an Aussie production and comes
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on Discover channel (shows you how exciting my life is)...
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Cassius Cray
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12/12: i know the show..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Tue Feb 06 13:31:20 1990
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<ahem> interesting story.. wasnt it <grins..>
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< Electronic Banking Q-Scan Done >
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______________________________________________________________________________
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*** {Radio & Electronics Sub-Board} ***
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< Q-scan Radio & Electronics 18 - 32 msgs >
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1/32: This Sub
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 22:44:33 1990
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This sub is for the discussion of electronics, radio and cellular
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communication.
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Mentor
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2/32: Idea
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Tue Jan 09 21:18:56 1990
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Here's one: everyone knows that when you hook up a 9-volt battery to a relay
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switch it throws of lots of AM radio waves...all over the band. I WONDER what
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would happen if you made one of these babies,wrapped it in duct tape and
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threw it in someone's sattelite dish! You just knowsome poorrepairman will
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have a ball trying tofigure out why there's not picture!
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grey owl
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3/32: cable
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Mon Jan 15 22:28:41 1990
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Is anyone familiar with cable de-scrambling? I'm interested in building a
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tuner that will let me pick up Showtime, Playboy Channel, and Cinemax (I have
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HBO). How difficult a prospect is this - or is it even possible?
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Mentor
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4/32: Austin Cablevision
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Mon Jan 15 23:50:22 1990
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You can't do it. Not on our system.
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We have two way cable...totally interactive, down to the point where
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they know what house each box is in. Kinda sucks...you can only grab
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HBO & Showtime for free, as they are the only one blocked by
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traps. All the other premium channels are controlled by the
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fucking cable company from their feeds.
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BIG DRAG. {Remember when cable was new, and you could just run
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out to the damn box and remove all the traps, and you'd have every channel?
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->ME
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5/32: Hmmm not sure but...
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Tue Jan 16 00:37:51 1990
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Hmmm lloyd not sure but in cali we had the same way
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but my friends father (an electronics engineeer for Radionics alarm co)
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developed a box with a chip in it to automatically tunbe to some weird freq.
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anyway probably not the same sys as u guys..
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but i know u can do it with a sat dish..heard of a guy who designed a chip
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that snagged the nearest other persons descrambling code and fed it to yours.
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remember..
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It's not what u know it's who u know..
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Eh COMRADES?
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heheeheh
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Later,
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(Not a fat communist pig)
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Par
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Jason
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6/32: Linear/AND MORE!
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Name: Ripper #51
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Date: Tue Jan 16 03:12:46 1990
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Hello.....
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I'm into radio stuff too (Pretty good, cause I'm also a Telecomminications
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Major.)
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If you want to cause havoc with someone radio equipment with major QRM a good
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approach is to make a good pink noice generator and hook it up to a high gain
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AF amp and into a small AM transmitter and drop it nearby the reciver. The
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power output only needs to be a few hundred mw to really make reception a
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problem, because while the tranmitter it's self is low power, it's still the
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strongest signal, and since it's being over driven, the band width can be
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several hundered Khz.
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We used this on people in out area who "DEAD KEY" or otherwise make themselves
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an obnoxious source of noise. Sure, while they are making all their noise it
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won't bother them, but until the batter is removed or dies, they just recive
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crap. Also, on a related note, my favorite if to get as close to an offending
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station as I can and just cause massive RFI with my linear. The subject will
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still hear me even with his radio turned off, I generate engough power in my
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mobile to drive coil in speakers, phones and other electronics without them
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being on (of course, with their audio amps on, it's even worse, because the
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RFI will creap into the amplifications stages.)
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Anyway...current radio project, a 1200 watt linear amp I'm making for an AM
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and SSB base station I'm making. Also, trying to start a little radio conv on
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a small system in San Diego, if interested 619-660-6734, minimal plug, I hate
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people posting numbers on my system...so...
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Anyway, radio stuff...I know a bunch, and I have all kinds of info from 5mw to
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2KW, AM, FM, SSB, CW, DSB, 180 Meters to 75 cm....although, I am not a HAM...I
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can do my best to help out with anything.
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7/32: jesus
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Tue Jan 16 07:42:19 1990
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dont ever let me hear you complain about cable tv
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at least you got it
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<not all communist pigs are ffat>
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and besides... im on the other side
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Phoenix
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your sincere israeli traitor
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yawn
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8/32: cable grabbing in austin....
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Tue Jan 16 11:45:16 1990
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yes it can be done. go buy a scientific atlanta controller box from a cable
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distributor, cost about $100. pull the top off, pull the roms and get
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yourself a 8048 cross-assembler to look at the code. the routines that
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control the identification of the user are easy to find, right near the
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top of the code. just go in and play with this code, insert nop's for
|
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example, and enable all the decoding, it is done in hardware,and you
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have what you want.
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9/32: jamming...
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Tue Jan 16 11:51:53 1990
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you should not use a pink noise generator as it's power spectrum falls off
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at the higher frequencies on a given channel. you should probably use a
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gunn diode oscillator, a white noise generator w/ equal power bandwidth
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spectrum, followed by a set of linear amplifiers. another good source of
|
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noise is a spark gap. this can be generated by using a high voltage
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transformer, i use a jefferson electric luminous tube transformer 721-121
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12kv @ 30mA output. jefferson is in bellwood ill. what you do is connect
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the input to 110vac and the output to a couple of rounded probes. the
|
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distance between the probes is adjusted for the best spark. watch out for
|
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the ozone this generates because it creates free-radicals in your blood
|
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which is a carcinogen. these can also be used to make jacob's ladders or
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tesla coils.
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10/32: Well..nuff of this crap./
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Thu Jan 18 03:32:01 1990
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Well phoenix.. i don't know whatthat statement about YOU being a traintor
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was about...
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But as for me.. i have no desire to sell out my fucking country.
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Even though they may be so stupid as to think so.
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When i'm trying to help them out by monitoring a russian debug port.
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And using it to dump the pad ��mem
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(Which was WORTHLESS anyway)
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Let's get one thing straight.��#
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I love my country. (even after all the shit they've put me through)
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And i love my freedom (which they will eventually take away from me i assume)
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But i would never sell them out like those CCC scumbags did.
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i Love my family and friends too much to jeopardize them by selling secrets
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etc.
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and would never FD� label mysel;f the way you labelled yourself. (traitor)
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I think you should learn (and hope u do soon that we are just a bunch of kids
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FD�who gK�t too good.) <��FFD�or whatever reason>
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(I.e. b��ecasue tFD�hey couldn't stFDop us from doing it.. and once you
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excersize a muscle it tends to grow and prosper. so we've gotten out of their
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control..
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don't jeopardize your country just because u are good..or your friends av�d
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family
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Because in the end...The gov't agencies will know everything about it.
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And you'll probably enFD�d up like that poor bastard in CCC.
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(i don't know about you guys but pou��ring gasl�oline on myslefFD� and being
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lit on fire is not my way of committing suicide)
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And anyone who tells me HE REALLY did commitFD� suicide..
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|
Try to step back and look at the situation.
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|
Dealing with the KGB and CIA..DO YOU REALLY THINK SO?
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|
Anyway that is why i have never broken into military comps and nevr will..
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|
sure i may break into communist coujntries systems but ,
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i don't break into ours "just coz i'm CURIOUS"
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tahts the stupidest thing u can do.
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FD�
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Trust me on this one..
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Par,
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Jason
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11/32: seems to me...
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Name: Ravage #19
|
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Date: Thu Jan 18 10:40:10 1990
|
|
that breaking into a communist country computer is a lot more dangerous,
|
|
those folks dont mind shooting you and to hell with miranda, whereas this
|
|
country will at least give you a trial. a small chance but a chance
|
|
never the less.
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12/32: Treason & Government Smegma...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
|
Date: Fri Jan 19 02:06:13 1990
|
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It's the Major SS buzzword these days.
|
|
Treason. If someone if poking around in ANY system they feel is
|
|
sensitive (although they leave sysdiag unpassworded, or lp password lp, etc..)
|
|
they will then label you as:
|
|
"A Serious Threat to National Security!"
|
|
Give me a break. Hell, I think my association with Par & Phoenix alone
|
|
is enoough to get me the firing squad. I haven't even done anything,
|
|
but it seems that everything bad that's happened I keep getting
|
|
brought up, as I know such and such, or I somehow know EVERYTHING about
|
|
how such and such happened.
|
|
Well, I've tried my best to be good, and stay out of government things,
|
|
military things, etc... I've even edited out the "sensitive" things I've
|
|
run across in the Telenet scanning just for their sense of well being,
|
|
but if I begin to feel threatened, it's all going out. Unabridged.
|
|
We will see...I'm already getting nervous...the feds are already pissed
|
|
that LOD is still kicking, and this bbs must have SLAMMED it into their
|
|
faces. And I know that the EFT files must have pissed them off as
|
|
well, although that may or may not have anything to do with
|
|
this bbs suddenly going back up.
|
|
Well, I'm not a threat to ANYTHING, except myself maybe. Anyone who
|
|
knows me knows that. Back me up people. This is my public announcement
|
|
of not-guilty to any and all crimes against the Security of the United
|
|
States. So what if I was scanning 2502 a while back? Anyone ever think
|
|
that it would be in THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY to hop into a
|
|
Soviet system? I thought it would.
|
|
Par knows what I mean. Hell, The government now seems to think he's a spy,
|
|
and want to shoot him. Killing Teenagers for fun is not my idea of
|
|
constructive problem solving guys. Take an extended course in the
|
|
ways of the hacker. That education might do you all a world of good.
|
|
You may even pick up something you missed in your little weekend getaway
|
|
training seminar in fighting computer crime. When you come and kick in my
|
|
door, (don't step on the cat), and if you don't blow me away first,
|
|
maybe I can educate you all a little better on what is REALLY GOING ON!
|
|
(This message posted for the Secret Service & CERT, et al. whomever is
|
|
posing on here, or reading this via Mentor's & My own Data Taps)
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|
->ME
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13/32: i personally agree..
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
|
Date: Fri Jan 19 06:46:21 1990
|
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umm... all i have to say is that certain people <ahem> who have not got half
|
|
the education that specific security people have had are bypassing their years
|
|
and years of education in an hours work.... maybe there is a lesson or two to
|
|
be learnt there... but then if we get shot... you never hear our story..
|
|
Hell... if i get blown away by a firing squad... ill make sure that certain
|
|
things happen...
|
|
<before i get blownaway..>
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|
insurance is beautiful...
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|
Phoenix
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<The Flatyline>
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Jacking oUt.
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14/32: .
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Name: Frame Error #5
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Date: Fri Jan 19 15:07:20 1990
|
|
I am not treasonist, and never will be. I have to laugh at the stupidity
|
|
of some of the people you (yes you, SS) send out to raid a hacker's home, or
|
|
investigate a certain something. I hear stories from friends who have gone
|
|
down, and I can't help but bust out laughing. Really now.. You should
|
|
get a real training program going if you intend on keeping up with us.
|
|
Sure, it's easy to get one of us, but what are you going to do about the
|
|
rest who are still thriving above the system, and your observation?
|
|
As you can see, even after three key members of the LOD went down, the
|
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group is active. I rest my case.
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FRAME ERROR
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15/32: also...
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Fri Jan 19 19:25:55 1990
|
|
If the SS is supposed to protect systems, they would scare the hackers out of
|
|
NOT messing with the system...not bust him. That just makes the others so mad
|
|
that they decide to ravage the system he got busted on...I know I have and
|
|
will.
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grey owl
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16/32: also. also. also....
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Name: Phiber Cut #34
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Date: Sat Jan 20 09:36:30 1990
|
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Why is the SS saying everyone is in LOD? Why are they such a pain? Why
|
|
are they so fuckin' stooopid? Why aren't they protecting the president
|
|
or catching counterfiters(sp) like they're supposed to be?
|
|
17/32: ravage
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Sat Jan 20 10:48:34 1990
|
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be kool w/ my handle ace.
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18/32: well
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Name: Phelix The Hack #89
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Date: Thu Jan 25 12:55:58 1990
|
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I think that I can safely say (for the benefit of those fed tyoes )that Erik
|
|
Bloodaxe is the most dangerous person alive. sorry Erik. Haha. Boy I cannot
|
|
wait to see that one in the papers taken out of context...
|
|
|
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...fellow computer criminals report with all sincerity that Erik Bloodaxe is
|
|
"the most dangerous person alive.."
|
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Seriously though...well I have nothing serious to say.
|
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|
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No shit about getting the chair for even pretending to associatee with Pheonix
|
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and Par (looks like I picked the wrong set of friends).
|
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|
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say...Pgheonix..any mre articals detailing the infamous Austro-American
|
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Connection?
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HA!
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pth.
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19/32: aha
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
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Date: Fri Jan 26 01:50:46 1990
|
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Thats the one!!
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<why cant anyone spell my name ???>
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P H O E N I X
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20/32: sweet dreams
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Name: The Electron #32
|
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Date: Thu Feb 01 09:42:53 1990
|
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anyone who is paranoid enuff to believe they have cia/fbi/kgb etc etc
|
|
chasing after them with large weapons is either:
|
|
a) a cronic bullshitter, who in the interests of their "image"
|
|
like to run round saying they are WANTED by federal authoriities.
|
|
b) a simple minded fuckwit
|
|
if some1 like the CIA wanted to fuck u up, they fuck you up, they dont wait
|
|
around for years to do it (But of course some of you are so K-rad the CIA
|
|
will never find you right? rrriiiggghhhttt.)
|
|
wake up please.
|
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(of course just coz ure paranoid doesnt mean they're NOT after you :-)
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21/32: ok..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Feb 01 10:15:42 1990
|
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so their guns arent that big...
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22/32: Heheh..
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Name: Nemesis #122
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Date: Fri Feb 02 00:15:22 1990
|
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No, their guns are small.....Well the simple truth of the matter is that
|
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90% of all the people who get "BUSTED BY THE PHEDS" are either totally full of
|
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it, or just a few quarts low. When someone get real busted, you hear about
|
|
it.. and I dont mean as a rumor on a few boards and shit. But even more full
|
|
of it than the BUSTED is the "THEY ARE AFTER ME" part. My god, if someone is
|
|
AFTER you, and they havent already CAUGHT you,{then v:they must be mo{ing
|
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t{mightykO su!l{w...
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23/32: ummmm
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Name: The Mentor #1
|
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Date: Fri Feb 02 09:27:57 1990
|
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Well, Electron, if the CIA wanted *you*, they'd just shoot you. Fortunately,
|
|
we're inside the states so we only have to worry about the FBI, the NSA and
|
|
the SS.
|
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While I can't speak for everyone, some of the "hunted" people on here are
|
|
federal fugitives. Yes, they *are* being looked for. I know some others are
|
|
wanted through phone contact to sympathetic government workers who
|
|
occasionally clue me in as to what's going on.
|
|
The bulk of the people who think they're being watched, aren't. But the gov.
|
|
is going for airtight cases, most of which involves survellience for several
|
|
*MONTHS* before they hit. <sigh>
|
|
Ravage- how does Tempest equip. work?
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Mentor
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24/32: umm
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
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Date: Fri Feb 02 11:08:31 1990
|
|
how likely are the CIA to shoot people they want outside the US ?
|
|
<gulps, scratches his head, and turns away..>
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25/32: uh....
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Name: Ravage #19
|
|
Date: Fri Feb 02 13:09:19 1990
|
|
(showing my ignorance) in what context tempest?
|
|
sorry not familiar with it. if you can give me a idea where and how it is
|
|
used i can check around and try to get some info.
|
|
sorry i couldnt just rattle it off.
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26/32: Tempest
|
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Name: Mr. Slippery #72
|
|
Date: Fri Feb 02 23:52:21 1990
|
|
The context I know tempest in is the military one. They are paranoid about
|
|
someone recording the stray radiation from devices and so put them in
|
|
boxes that shield all the electromagnetic radiation from leaking out.
|
|
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27/32: oh yeah....
|
|
Name: Ravage #19
|
|
Date: Sat Feb 03 11:19:58 1990
|
|
i have 3 monitors sitting right next to each other and it transfers the
|
|
rgb for my ammy over onto the composite video for the vcr or the 64. it
|
|
doesnt do it on the mac, different sync rates.
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|
|
|
never heard of this called tempest, live and learn. one way to do it
|
|
is to put an antenna on the tv, a rabbit ears is good. then tune to a
|
|
dead channel, hey sounds like neuromancer :-), and then try to pick
|
|
up the horizontal and vertical signals. it your antenna is good it
|
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aint to hard. the fartherest i have ever gotten it to do it with
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my system is about 10ft. i dont know if it will work over longer
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distances. another way that comes to mind is to take just the crt
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driver circuits and take the inputs to the vert and hor drivers and
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then put a big wire on there for an antenna. i bet this would pick
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up the signals for a couple of hundred feet.
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28/32: tempest! (hit the super-zapper)
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Mon Feb 05 02:26:05 1990
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if par ever calls back he was telling me about a big manual he had read
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dealing with this type of technology...
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supposedly an antenna can be designed for a small amount that will work over a
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great distance, and using an osciliscope to lock into the frequency it can be
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"tuned in"
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I dunno...but e-systems, tracor, and others all did major government work in
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it...Back in like 85 I was digging for info in those companies, but
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unfortunately I didn't find much that helped me any, or that told me things I
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didn't already know.
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ELECTRON!!! Fuck you. I can be as paranoid as I please. And if you feel it
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is without reason, keep it to yourself, but it is not due to my need for
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furthering my ego, or because I'm a "stupid fuckwit"
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if that wasn't directed at me, I'm sorry...if it was, fuck you again.
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->ME
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29/32: Tempest
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Mon Feb 05 19:59:02 1990
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From a source at Tracor:
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Tempest has several leels, and was designed by the DoD for a standard of radio
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emmisions on electronic equipment. I know that DEC has some Tempest terminals
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for saly (at roughly a 100% increase), and that IBM also markets it (through
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Federal Systems Divison). I am not sure, but I think the top level is 3, and
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it specifies that there should be NO emmisions within 5 feet of it. I have
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seen only one terminal, but didn't have an occilliscope at the time (looks a
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little strange in side of Burlington IBM facility).
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Daneel Olivaw
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30/32: Tempest...
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Name: Nemesis #122
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Date: Wed Feb 07 01:40:52 1990
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Yeh, thats the basi rundown on it... You can pick up all kinds of EM
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siginals, and you just amplify them a lot, and you can pick up all kinds of
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crap... There was some project DoD was working on, so now things are suposedly
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designed to meete Tempest standards or some shit fo the sort.. So they wont
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give off to much info that could be used.. I mean you can pick up stuf MILES
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away! You can be a good 100 yards from someones computer, and see their
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screen simply by listening in on its EM siginals....Its prety cool, but kinda
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big and heavy to carry around..
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Also.. speaking of this kinda stuff (which I like a lot).. I was wondering
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if anyone has ever tried the REVERSE of this? It is entirely possible to send
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those frequencies FROM you TO them, with such power, that you actually
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OVERRIDE their dirrect connection siginal! 5-10 wats will do the job from up
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to 100 feet away! Its prety incredible.. I have never found any actual
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practial uses for it before (although I have though ot lots of wild things to
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do with it).....But I can sit out in the van, parked in front of someones
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house, and brodcast MY audio/vidio right on to their TV screen... The nice
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thing is, of course, its reguardless of what channel they are on, and even if
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they are dirrectly connected to cable!
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31/32: well...
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Wed Feb 07 10:09:07 1990
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when i was a kid we used to have fun with the rf modulators out of the old
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pong games for making pirate tv for the kids in the neighborhood. this seems
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to me to be a lot easier than trying to take over the monitor at that low
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a hardware level.
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32/32: I just like teh idea
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Wed Feb 07 16:07:49 1990
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of RF taps... or possibly RF interfaces... jamming the signal with such power
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as to make your signal the one recognized...
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Daneel Olivaw
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2/11: ������ <<<stuff like that
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Tue Jan 09 21:20:33 1990
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Who is getting serious line noise here?
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����k��������k�7�
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�����k�y
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look at that! I keep getting the same noise patterns. Just like a cheap-ass
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SWB data tap.
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grey owl
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3/11: Cheap SWB taps
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Thu Jan 11 16:45:51 1990
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Does SWB do anything expensive?
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Daneel
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4/11: SWB
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Thu Jan 11 18:13:44 1990
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hahaha. no.
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grey owl
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5/11: uupc link
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Mon Jan 15 22:29:48 1990
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Ok, I need the source code for (or even better, the WWIV mods) for a MS-DOS
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uucp link. I've got a full USENET link arranged (legal even) if I can find a
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way to get it. Daneel Olivaw has offered the Waffle package, but it's
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apparently made to run standalone. I'll hack on it anyway...
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Mentor
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6/11: yeah
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Tue Jan 16 07:43:26 1990
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i got it.. tried u/l other day but stued up... ill put it there today...
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uupc-dos
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Phoenix
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<add f's wherever chars are missing
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7/11: Waffle
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Tue Jan 16 08:59:19 1990
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You might consider running waffle as the primary and then having it launch
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WWIV at the users request. This would make you some problems with making sure
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that if users were on one they were on the other. You could also just make
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everyone have free access on the WWIV and then make the Waffle on a validation
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basis.
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grey owl
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8/11: ugh
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Tue Jan 16 17:12:27 1990
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I don't need 2 bbs's. I just need to fire a program that sends a batch of
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mail, picks up all of the comp groups, and receives mail to users here. If I
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have the basic source I can tweak it to work...
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Mentor
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9/11: yeah!
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Wed Jan 17 12:23:41 1990
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Thanks to Daneel Olivaw, I now have the source to not one but *two* ms-dos
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uucp programs. I hope to have USENET mail installed on here within a week...
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Mentor
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10/11: WaffleNet BBS System
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Name: The Genetic Terrorist #107
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Date: Sat Jan 27 17:58:59 1990
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The makers of WaffleNet (Darkside) are near me. If anyone wants the latest
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version of WaffleNet I have them on my board..also USENET, and UUCP link
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ups for MS-DOS that you can run as a door to BBS if anyone's interested..
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The Genetic Terrorist
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-The DTD: 14.4k TCS-
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=>415/941-8xxx<=
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CAPAL
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11/11: hmmm
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sat Jan 27 20:30:01 1990
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Is that UUPC? If so, what version? The copy I have doesn't seem to function
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well... (and is shittily documented).
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me
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:27:36 1990
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Better Living Through Chemistry. Erik insisted we have a drug sub, so here it
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is... Yes, Virginia, you can post anonymously!
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Mentor
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2/35: Ya!
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Tue Jan 09 14:53:53 1990
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Welcome home kids.
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I was watching Dead Ringers last night. Real cool flick. I wish I was a
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doctor. Made me laugh...these two gynecologists staggering around their
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apartment..."ok, we gotta take a shot of the dimetapp now, and then a little
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of the dilaudid to chill out, then a bit of the benzedrine to wake up, ok?
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But tomorrow we kick, right?" Hehe...fucking junkies.
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Um, anyone seen any GOOD x around? I haven't have GOOD x in ages. Maye
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the X is still ok, but I'm not. Hmm...
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Got totally smashed last night. I've gotten on this drinking binge where I
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only drink straight liquor. Drank about a half-pint of bacardi last night.
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Passed out, ran into walls, threw up on my floor. Someone really should
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have slapped me when I decided to drink that much. Kinda weird...I have
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only been drinking beer for the longest time. (I stopped really slamming
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the hard stuff a while back) I think I like the beer buzz better. There
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there really is a difference between the effects of different alcohols.
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God, I got stoned last night too...I forgot that. Smoked a whole Joint by
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myself basically. Hm...
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still feel like shit, but typing is good therapy.
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->ME
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3/35: Opiates
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Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28
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Date: Wed Jan 17 20:42:02 1990
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Does anyone know where to get any really good opium.
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Not that Synethetic Sopium you so often find people trying to pass off, and
|
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nothing cut down with chlorides or anything. Good shit, the shit that used to
|
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be around four years ago.
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And is anyone familiar with DMT--dimethyltryptamine? What I hear is, "imagine
|
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sitting 100 yards from a tree and watching the leaves as if they were inches
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away --- Every living vivid detail and the rushing freight train sound of them
|
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shaking in the wind!". Not that I actually want a drug that powerful.
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Anyone in Ecstasy (X)? Any good.
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Usually, I'm just a mary jane man, but opium is a highlight. Something I like
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to get ahold of every four months or so. Don't want to nullify my opiate
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receptors, and don't have to worry about it as long as I stay away for long
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enough.
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Drugs are good. They cut the dullness of modern day life. Firing my neuro's
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crazily, presenting a lot more pictures, information, and feelings at a much
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higher pitch. I think it's worth it.
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"Not poppy, nor mandragore,
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Nor all the drowsy syrups of the world,
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Shall ever medicine thee to that sweet sleep
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Which thou ow'dst yesterday."
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Sicilumm Thorne.
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/?
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4/35: Bedrock...Twist..Twist..
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Name: The Operator #42
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Date: Thu Jan 18 22:54:09 1990
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Well, for the good Opium, I know of a whole bunch of places around the US to
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get the real good stuff...Leave me mail and we'll talk...
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And as for X, I've still got a good supply up here, although I don't do much
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of it since my contacts are good for Marijuana..(I've been gettin Chocolate
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Thai Bud, Kenya Bhang, Panama Red, Kindbud etc... for $45/half oz)...Yeah
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seems me and Erik have been the same lately...Either totally stoned, or
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totally drunk..Either way, both on our asses laughing at shit that aint
|
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funny... I am real happy with the way people have been speaking out on the
|
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legalization of Marijuana to beat the rest of the drug problem...Now we got a
|
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new drug on our hands. It's called Special K...Supposedly it's a horse/bull
|
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tranquilizer that has the effects of Cocaine, but lasts for like 5
|
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hours...BUT...If you do it and your body rejects it (It could reject at ANY
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TIME), you will die instantly...
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Enough blather...Toke up, men!
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The Operstoner
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5/35: Ketamine?
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 19 02:11:16 1990
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Jesus...lay off the Ketamine. It's bad for children and other living things.
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Ecstasy...hehe...now there's a fun night! Last REAL decent batch of
|
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X ran through here a month or so. Weird Orange pills. Someone
|
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called them pumpkins. (It was around halloween now that I think about
|
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it) It was 10-15...but I got it free! hehe
|
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I'm going to u/l a few things here for people. Just nifty reading.
|
|
If the feds come, they better not look under the sink! All that
|
|
HCl and Lye & Ethyl Ether and the Ephedrine in the medicine
|
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cabinet might piss them off.
|
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"...while I'm driving off laughin' this is what I'll say..Fuck the Police"
|
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Eric (Easy-E) Wright...1988
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->ME
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6/35: ..
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Name: Frame Error #5
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Date: Fri Jan 19 15:10:55 1990
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Erik -
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"..Cause I'm a crazy motherfucker from around the way.."
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"..Straight Outta Compton.."
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7/35: ..
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Fri Jan 19 18:53:21 1990
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Us three may quite possibly be the only people who like rap and own computers
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TOO. heheh.
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Cool mutha fucka..word
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Call me the ice..or just the Iceberg..
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- ICE-T/ICEBERG
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8/35: re: rap
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Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28
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Date: Sat Jan 20 17:58:28 1990
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RE: ..
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Paid in Full (Seven Minutes of Madness)- The Cold Cut Re-Mix
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I like the shit with the samples on it, like off of Ofra Haza's Shaday.
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Do you wanna die?
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I was born with a six gun in my mind
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Id you want to understand
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Put a six gun in my hand
|
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Go ahead and make my day.
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Sic.
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9/35: ...
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Sun Jan 21 23:57:36 1990
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the cities are melting
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the sky burns red
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the oceans are boiling
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well soon be dead
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10/35: Pot or Poetry
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Name: The Jabberwalky #100
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Date: Wed Jan 24 15:54:56 1990
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Eric Bloodaxe, my long time friend
|
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has started a thing which may never end.
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He quotes a lyric from a rapping song
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now people be rappin' on the drug board... dats wrong.
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WORD
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By the by, the only reason Erik got the "pumpkin" for free was that he won the
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costume contest dressed as a FBI guy. Sun glasses, jacket, tie, ear plug,
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concealed mic, uzi.... He won a toaster and I bought it off him and he used
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the money to buy DRUGS. Shame. It takes a real man to eat a tab-o-X at about
|
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3 A.M.
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Anyway lets talk legalization on here. I am sick and tired of this war on
|
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drugs B.S. America first got its feet settled by smuggling rum and tobacco to
|
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Europe--an illegal venture to say the least in that day. Drugs are the
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backbone of this country and if they would just legalize the shit instead of
|
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running through Kentucky trying to arrest country folk cuz they have some
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weeds growing behind a barn a mile into their farm.... It is a WEED. How do
|
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you think it got its name?!? It will grow anywhere. If they would just
|
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legalize and regulate distrubution then the crime and killing would be
|
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decreased and the revenues could go into drug treatment centers. Legalize
|
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pot, Acid(my lip-smacking favorite), coke, opium, crank, horse, everything!
|
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Then you could know who was taking it, how much, and profit from the fact that
|
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man is motivated by food, shelter, sex, and INTOXICATION. There is nothing
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they can do to stop 100% of the trafic which means that when the guard laxes,
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the shit will start all over again.
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Let's talk about this....
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The Jabberwalky
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PS: It's nice to meet you all. And it's good to be here.
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11/35: Silly boy...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Wed Jan 24 18:02:11 1990
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That halloween X was not what I was talking about...
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I was talking about the pills Brent and his dweebly friend had...geez...
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Yes, it DOES take quite a he-man to gobble major amphetamines at 3:00 on a
|
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Sunday...god, I can barely believe I could musster up the strength to put it
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in my mouth!!!
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I'm going to u/l a pretty good article from Usenet on Legalization...
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I might even start getting alt.drugs and dumping them into a d/l section for
|
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you people to read...
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->ME
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12/35: Mentor!
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Wed Jan 24 19:25:00 1990
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Could we see a voite question RE: Drug Legalization?
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grey owl
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13/35: you
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Wed Jan 24 19:46:46 1990
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You asked for it, you got it...
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Mentor
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14/35: Ketamine
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Name: The Prophet #104
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Date: Wed Jan 31 16:04:59 1990
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I've been tld that Ketamine was given to the Apoll astronauts before launches
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to give them some feel for weightlesness... Supposedly, it causes OOBEs.
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Try lucid dreaming guys... Much better than any drug.
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But if you do use drugs, try watching the movie "_The Ninth_Configuration_.
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-TP
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15/35: lucid
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Wed Jan 31 16:34:41 1990
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Prophet-
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How often are you able to lucid dream? I find that I can't force it, but
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get about one a week "accidentally."
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For those not familiar with the technique, lucid dreaming involves a
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conscious control of a dream. For example, I've had nightmares in which I'm
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being chased by people (usually in suits... hmmmm) and, while still dreaming,
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realized that it was *my* dream and I could do whatever I wanted. So I had an
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Uzi appear and shot them all. Kinda cool. Some people can do it at will.
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Mentor
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16/35: LucidDreams
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Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28
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Date: Wed Jan 31 16:57:16 1990
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There are no willows in the fasting mind.
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I find it hard to force myself into lucid dreams without a great extent of
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meditation, which takes way too much time.
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Anyone really interested in lucid dreams, I recommend two things:
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Omni, September 1989
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?AND
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Lucid Dreams in 30 Days: The Creative Sleep Program
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Life is But a Dream! The Dream Yogis!
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17/35: heh
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Wed Jan 31 21:48:31 1990
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lucid dreams: heh..i have those once in a while.....but for some reason my
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brain ceases to function normally when i'm in em....ya know? like...i had one
|
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where i knew i was in a dream...so i triewd to do something. I made a turtle
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appear at my feet. Kinda strange huh? Like...i couldnt think of anything
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cool to do...like create Christina Applegate to come suck my dik or anything..
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oh yeah..anyone ever tried READING anything within a dream? weird shit..i saw
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one cover of a book once...and 90% of it was in like russian or something and
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one line i could make out said:
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"Jesus the Antichrist"
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Heh...god...i have some weird fucking experiances..
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18/35: lucid dreams....
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Thu Feb 01 10:53:29 1990
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yeah i have them also.
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19/35: Lucid dreaming
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Name: Duncan Idaho #99
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Date: Thu Feb 01 23:00:09 1990
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I frequently am able to do this..only problem is, at some point when the
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dream is going too good or I have done something out of character
|
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I wake up....
|
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annoying considering I have learned to hit deep sleep rapidly...
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Supposedly Lucid Dreaming comes from irregular sleep patterns..
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I dunno but the human consciousness is something nobody knows.
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DI
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/d
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20/35: Dreams....
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Name: Nemesis #122
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Date: Fri Feb 02 00:26:25 1990
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Yes, with Practice you can learn to controll your dreams as much as you
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want. However there is a down side to it all (there always is, sint there).
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If you can controll your dreams it takes a whole lot of fun out of it all. At
|
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first its real nedo and fun to be able to do whatever, but after a while, you
|
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run out of things to do (as imposible as that may seem)... A real bummer..
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And as for the leagalization of drugs. From a strictly historical point
|
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of view, I see so many similarities between the "War on Drugs" and
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"Prohibition". It simply follows that the War on Drugs will go the way of
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Prohibition. It causes so many problems, and why? Because a bunch of people
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think they know what is best for everyone.
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Of course there are good reasons to have drugs illegal. But those are
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all based around the irresponsible use of drugs. Drugs when used correctly
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are not dangerous. Its so silly that the No. 1 drug, Alchohol is legal.. Its
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also the most dangerous. More peopel die from it than all other drugs
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combined Im sure.
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People are starting to be responsible about their use of Alchohol, Dont
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drink and drive, crap of the sort...But people are MUCH more responsible with
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their use of other drugs.
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But it doesnt realy matter.. Prety soon people will get sick of all the
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problems and violence caused by the illegality of drugs and end it.
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21/35: dreams
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Fri Feb 02 09:29:38 1990
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The strangest dream I've had in awhile was dreaming an entire Calculus test.
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I'm not talking "I dreamed I took a test," but "I dreamed the exact (and
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tedious) mechanics of pushing a pencil around and working the problems!"
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Mentor
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22/35: ugh!
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Fri Feb 02 13:10:50 1990
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that must have been painful. are you into sado-masochism???:-)
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23/35: dreams
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Name: Alter Ego #110
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Date: Fri Feb 02 17:07:38 1990
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I've never had a problem with not dreaming (lucid or otherwise), thou the one
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problem I do have is not dreaming. I take meds. that are suppose to keep ya
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from dreaming, but they don't seem to work. Most of my dreams are WEIRD!!! Not
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scary just weird, and they do weird shit to me also. Like my pulse when I wake
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up is somewhere around 130-144 (not very safe for my age or any) and one time
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my dad walked in and thought I was dead 'cuz my body temp. was so low...
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Alter Ego
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24/35: lucid dreaming
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sat Feb 03 18:53:38 1990
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Who has experience using lucid dreaming to produce an OBE? I have wanted to
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do this since I knew about it. I always suspected it was possible but didn't
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think about it much. Wiccans?!?!
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grey owl
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25/35: excuse me?....
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Sun Feb 04 10:49:38 1990
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just hat is an obe? would you explain it to us 'special' ones? :-)
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s
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26/35: OBE
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Name: Alter Ego #110
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Date: Sun Feb 04 11:02:49 1990
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RE: excuse me?....
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and that stands for Out of Body Experince... its when you spirt leaves your
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body and romes...
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Alter Ego
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27/35: erg..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sun Feb 04 16:05:25 1990
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love to know how to pull off one of those..!!
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28/35: OBE
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sun Feb 04 21:21:43 1990
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There's lots of ways. Some involve drugs, some just sleep deprivation. My
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favorite is the macrobiotic. You starve yourself of good food (beef, cheese
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and anything that tastes good) until you can no longer see. Then you are so
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damn bored that you just wander right out.
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Seriously, I'm using the gateway series of tapes. I'm only on tape 3 of 15
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but they are pretty helpful.
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BTW: Ravage, you ARE special :-)
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grey owl
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29/35: things...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Mon Feb 05 02:38:11 1990
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an out of body experience can be kind of scary...most paranormal occurrences
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are not for the faint of heart or the casual experimenter...be careful
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A nifty thing to try is take a hit or two of some mild acid, and lay down in
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a dark room with your eyes closed. That will result in some incredible
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astral journeys.
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I've decided that since hacking has been ripped away as my hobby, occultism
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will take it's place. UT's Harry Ransom Humanities research center has an
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extensive collection of works by crowley, (nearly everything he ever wrote
|
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including personal letters!) other books on magic, like Levi's history of
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magic, all kinds of cool stuff.
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I've just bought a book by Israel Regardie (who is in crowley's order of the
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golden dawn, or its current faction) and I am also interested in spells and
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things like that.
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THere is a new age book store here in austin on South Lamar that I want to
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check out.
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I'm currently reading a translation of the Necronomicon, so I might just end
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up dead or insane before I finish it anyway...
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->ME
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30/35: Chakras and lucid dreaming
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Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80
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Date: Mon Feb 05 04:01:45 1990
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I really enjoy lucid dreaming....very liberating.
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I believe I had an out of body experience, when I spolFD�ke with my
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girlfriend, what she had to say matched what happened to me (
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I was in her room during the night in an astral/etheral form) but this
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is really just another beginning! The unified field and the union
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of the chakras, kunlandini, etc. all are very valid and important
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things in my life.
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PR
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31/35: hmm..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Mon Feb 05 12:19:32 1990
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obe might be real useful if they decide to burn me instead of shooting me.
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Im sure they can be creative when it suits them..
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32/35: Phoenix...burn you???
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Mon Feb 05 16:59:09 1990
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What's the chance of that? Maybe it's different in Australia, but that's too
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inhumane for the US.
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Erik--I have a book you might like. Maybe it's under you, but I thought it
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was very good background reading. Just don't take it at surface value...then
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you'll be screwed. It's Gavin & Yvonne Frosts _Magic_Power_of_Witchcraft_.
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Good reading.
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grey owl
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33/35: umm..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Tue Feb 06 13:32:21 1990
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im not worrid about australian authoritis..
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34/35: OBEs....
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Name: Nemesis #122
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Date: Wed Feb 07 01:45:19 1990
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Well drugs are definatly the best way to go for that...And sleep
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deprovation also.. Howver, with that, its kinda hit and miss, its very hard to
|
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conroll what you do when you are in that kinda state...
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The Magic Power of Witchcraft is a nice book, but it doesnt have enough on
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thing like OBEs, etc...in fact, I cant even recall much it did have..hehe
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35/35: Lucid Dreaming
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Name: The Prophet #104
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Date: Wed Feb 07 02:47:34 1990
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About a year ago, I practiced Stephen LaBerge's MILD technique for inducing
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lucid dreams religiously for about 5 months. I had maybe 3-5 lucid dreams
|
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after about month three, but the ability fades rapidly when you slack off on
|
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the exercises. I still have an occasional spontaneous lucid dream,
|
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particularly when I take a nap in the afternoons (something that LaBerge noted
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in his book).
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Definitely a great experience.
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-TP
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< Altered States Q-Scan Done >
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______________________________________________________________________________
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*** {Security Personnel Sub-Board} ***
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< Q-scan Security Personnel 21 - 59 msgs >
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1/59: This Sub
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:29:45 1990
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There are a number of security people on here - some public, some not. Most of
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them will be glad to talk about what they do and how they do it if you can
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carry on a civil conversation. Anyway, I ask that any security people on the
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board please identify themselves on this subboard - most of the hackers on
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here will be glad to talk about what *they* do if you can carry on a civil
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conversation!
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Mentor
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2/59: ...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Wed Jan 10 04:06:43 1990
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Legion of Feds!
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hehe...feel free to use that.
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->ME
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3/59: to: hackers
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Wed Jan 10 19:15:02 1990
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Has anyone ever noticed that most systems are penatrated because the people
|
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are weak and not the systems? There are so many things that wouldn't be able
|
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to happen if it weren't for people who couldn't tell the difference between me
|
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and a legitamit customer who had forgotten his password!
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grey owl
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4/59: .
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Jan 11 03:47:59 1990
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Yes... Admittedly there are bugs on the systems ,wall, finger, restore etc..
|
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and indeed there are bugs on the networks <AAA...ZZZ> but most of tese require
|
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an account prior to bug enaction. I mean certain specific accounts work almost
|
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all over internet..and once on inet you can quite easily get from place to
|
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placewit just a single acconut.
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The only casde where the ystem is to blame exists in unix/.. and even then...
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it is rather ard to manipulate without a vaid account <though not impossible>.
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Yes.. users suck shit... any good defcon will tell you that..!
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<not intended offensively>
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking out.
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5/59: ...
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Fri Jan 19 18:56:21 1990
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What does everyone think of Inviting Lyle Davis here for a discussion. This
|
|
is the head of COm SYstems (0266) for anyone that doesn't know. )266 seems to
|
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be the most widely abused and ripped off LD carrier in the US.. Maybe Lyle
|
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would enjoy giving us a littl efeadback..??
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- me II
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6/59: COSY
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Fri Jan 19 19:28:09 1990
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I say nay. Let's not give him any idea how he is being gipped. I have read
|
|
about (dick-)heads of security that have had no conecption of what a modem is
|
|
and how people use it to get codes. That just takes some serious
|
|
short-sitedness on thier part...or blatant stupidity.
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grey owl
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7/59: Cookoo's Egg
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Name: Gordon Meyer #65
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Date: Sat Jan 20 01:05:26 1990
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Anyone looking for a good book..check out THE COOKOO"S EGG by Cliff Stoll.
|
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He's the guy that tracked the West German hacker thru Milnet into all the US
|
|
defense systems. It's good reading, but Stoll doesn't have much of a clue
|
|
about the computer underground.
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8/59: ...
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Name: Tak/Scan #44
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Date: Sat Jan 20 01:51:51 1990
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Yeah Cookoo's egg is a rad book! but I think it would be KILLER if they made a
|
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movie into it. hehe
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Tak/Scan
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Sysop of TFD
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610-745-1xxx
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login - spectrum
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nu pw - gunship
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9/59: lyle
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sat Jan 20 03:09:18 1990
|
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Invite him on. We've already got a couple of telcom security guys just
|
|
lurking. I assume they'll pipe up when they feel the time is right...
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Mentor
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10/59: Lyle
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Sun Jan 21 05:35:02 1990
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Well... My budy Traxter is gonna get ahold of him... he will probably give the
|
|
board a call if he has time. I'm sure Traxter will to....expect a couple new
|
|
users...thanx to your truly. ahahhaha... God man... you got like 11 users
|
|
since yesterday....amazing.
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11/59: HA
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Sun Jan 21 10:39:40 1990
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Traxsters a buddy of yours? ge.
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Anyway i thought the whole idea was abot this board to be open.
|
|
I mean i thought taht was what Lloyd had in mind..
|
|
The object is.. to show them that we have nothing to fear from them.
|
|
Anyway i'd much rather KNOW who they are and talk to them then to have them
|
|
POSE as Joe Lamer..
|
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At least then they might get a little more info from me :-)
|
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Later,
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Par
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Jason
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12/59: better
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sun Jan 21 11:41:34 1990
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I think it's better that we just don't know who they are, play it safe and rag
|
|
all the Joe Lamers...I don't know. It pisses me off that they are busting
|
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Phrack I guess.
|
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grey owl
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13/59: Sec Personnel
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Name: The Dictator #43
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Date: Mon Jan 22 01:35:00 1990
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I dunno..Im kinda iffi on it.. I dont like the idea of having security
|
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personnel on here. I mean, its good to get their view point (and rag on them
|
|
in E-mail .. hahah).... But with them on here, in an open discussion, you
|
|
tend to drop your gaurd after a while...and they pick up on your personality
|
|
through posts and stuff.
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|
|
|
Granted, they could do the same thing as Joe Hacker, calling a system...but
|
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then he's got all these rules to follow so he doesnt violate your rights.
|
|
Here, he's out in the open you know who he is..etc..etc..
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As I stated before... Mentor always draws a good crowd..and thats good
|
|
becuase when you have a highly technical question that you cant figure out,
|
|
you can ask it here...where some of the best reside..then again..you're afraid
|
|
of asking..cus all the security personnel might be able to tie you to the
|
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system your asking about.
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<sigh> The circle never ends.
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The Dictator
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14/59: Silly Rabbits...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Mon Jan 22 03:08:33 1990
|
|
There are already three or four security people on here, and I know who they
|
|
are...they will all answer anything you want to ask, if it is relative to
|
|
something they deal with.
|
|
If I see anyone ragging on them, e-mail or otherwise, you will get a wonderful
|
|
"warning" These guys are cool, and don't go out of their way nailing
|
|
people...well, the people I know on here are not government people...they are
|
|
a completely different thing.
|
|
Feds are deranged...normal civilian security dudes are just common guys
|
|
working 9-5 who just mainly hang out at hotel bars while attending tons of
|
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"conventions" Hehe...sounds like a big racket to me...they probably each
|
|
tell the others to host one, so they can visit a new city each week...
|
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"MY greatest fear is that someday, someone will tell me to get a real job"
|
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hehe...a quote from some nameless person...
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->ME
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15/59: hmm
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Mon Jan 22 09:30:52 1990
|
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ive always had the policy that if ever an operatorasks me to get off his
|
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system... i will.. hell.. these guys are the direct opposite o us..
|
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id love to hearr their viewpoints...
|
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coz we can both learn from eachother..
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Phoenix
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16/59: Hopefully ...
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Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28
|
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Date: Mon Jan 22 17:41:59 1990
|
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Hopefully, the learning isn't going to be self-destructive. But I'd
|
|
really like to hear from the people from security. Why aren't they speaking
|
|
up?
|
|
|
|
I really don't have a question at this point. What do you all think of
|
|
the Phrack bust? Do you think its a very legitimate bust (Ahem!)? And would
|
|
you have led to the same thing if your investigations did not allow you to
|
|
make any legit arrests? I doubt you're out there blatantly trying to nail
|
|
everyone too, right?
|
|
|
|
And a interesting question. If you're going after someone who's pretty
|
|
lethal, or possibly lethal, does it make you nervous going in for a bust?
|
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|
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What's it take to get warrants, et cetera. And how far can you go.?
|
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SicThorne.
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17/59: Hi
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Name: Jay Stenger #68
|
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Date: Tue Jan 23 14:13:16 1990
|
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Guess I've been hanging out in too many hotel bars enjoying those
|
|
conventions. I'm not familiar with the Phrack Bust. (Just signeg back on the
|
|
board... I assume details are covered in another SIG)
|
|
Hello, Gordon. Nice job on your thesis!
|
|
For all the disinformation you need, contact me here or at:
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NATIONAL TELEPHONE SERVICES
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6100 Executive Blvd.
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Rockville, MD 20852
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301-230-4659
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Jay Stenger, Security Manager
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18/59: Security Individuals
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Name: Signal Type #69
|
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Date: Tue Jan 23 15:05:19 1990
|
|
Well it's about time security people start communicating with us hackers. I
|
|
know we aren't exactly on the same side but I feel they due have a lot of
|
|
respect and for certain a good amount of questions. For anyone that is
|
|
interested I'm a friend of The Trader and
|
|
just got back into calling around. Parmaster I've heard a lot about you
|
|
very popular name throughout the country. Keep up the good work.
|
|
As for us being concerned about security
|
|
people I don't feel any concern is necessary.
|
|
They do their thing and we do ours. Like the sysop said this
|
|
an open board and nothing is hiden onhere.
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|
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19/59: Hello
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Name: Sandy Sandquist #49
|
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Date: Tue Jan 23 16:58:30 1990
|
|
Well hello Jay, Haven't heard from you in a long time.
|
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How are things at NTS. As you know US Sprint is doing fine. I'm sure that will
|
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get some response.
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20/59: Sandy...
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Name: The Parmaster #21
|
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Date: Tue Jan 23 19:22:33 1990
|
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Sandy, i was wondering if you were having any problems with FTS 2000.
|
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ahem.
|
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Jason.
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21/59: phrack
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Name: The Mentor #1
|
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Date: Tue Jan 23 22:04:03 1990
|
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Well, as near as we've found out on the Phrack stuff, no arrests have been
|
|
made. They just got all the stuff from the school computer. They haven't even
|
|
screwed with their houses. Sounds pretty Nazi to me.
|
|
Jay, Sandy, nice to see ya'll again!
|
|
Sandy-
|
|
How goes the pursuit of Telemarketing scams?
|
|
Mentor
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22/59: Sandy...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
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Date: Tue Jan 23 23:10:38 1990
|
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Hey, all the Sprint hp's keep changing their logons! See what you can do
|
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about that.
|
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hehe...just kidding.
|
|
Ohyeah, I think I still have the cug nui for usibm, so you guys might want to
|
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chang that too...I don't need to do an RNOC and dump all your codes...don' use
|
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them. Wait, was usibm yours? Or was that hpg1? Hell...telenet mnenmonics
|
|
are easy to confuse...
|
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->ME
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23/59: both
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Name: The Mentor #1
|
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Date: Wed Jan 24 00:15:20 1990
|
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Both usibm and hpg1..n were theirs.
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24/59: Hmmm....
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Name: The Apple Bandit #33
|
|
Date: Wed Jan 24 04:08:16 1990
|
|
RE: ...
|
|
I always thought that Lyle Davis (26 yrs old), was head of CyberLink
|
|
system/security thru the company ComSystems, which the owner lives in Fl.
|
|
hahaha.
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25/59: Answers
|
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Name: Sandy Sandquist #49
|
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Date: Wed Jan 24 17:13:19 1990
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Par----NO!
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Mentor----It is nice to be back. We still have some problems with
|
|
telemarketing but not in the same way as we did in the past. Now it seem to be
|
|
in the area of fraudulent accounts.
|
|
Eric Bloodaxe----A lot of things have changed over the last few years. USIBM
|
|
and the HP systems work a whole lot different from what they did in the past.
|
|
We are still very serious when it comes to any type of unauthorized access or
|
|
even attempted access.
|
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26/59: all
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Name: Silencer #31
|
|
Date: Fri Jan 26 00:18:53 1990
|
|
Well...to a few here
|
|
Par: Well.. I speak with Pat on occasion..is there something wrong there? I
|
|
know he has a reputation for being a narc and maybe not the most knowledgable
|
|
hacker in the world..but I find him to be an easy person to talk with and he
|
|
has helped me settle a few issues... i dont judge someone by their reputation
|
|
i judge by how they deal with me.. do you have aproblem with that?
|
|
Sandy: well...nice to see someone speaking up for once..hmm..yeah..heard about
|
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the telemarketting trouble through an AT&T newsline..I personally think AT&T
|
|
is just to fucking arogant since they have a major share of the market.
|
|
ALSO... has US Sprint sent anyone a bill for illegal use of the US Operators
|
|
system? Maybe yer the wrong person to ask..but a friend of mine said a few
|
|
people were getting calls...hmmm
|
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- SIlencer
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27/59: Sprint Operators
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Name: Sandy Sandquist #49
|
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Date: Fri Jan 26 09:38:33 1990
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The Sprint operators are part of company called Sprint Services. This now
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comes under United Telecom Inc. The corporate security department for
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Sprint/United has the responsibility for security in the sub-company. A lot of
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the fraud that takes place through these operators is sent back to the LEC's.
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That which is not sent back may end up the responsiblity of the Sprint/United
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Corporate Security. I am the Regional Corporate Security manager for the area
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of United Telecom Inc that US West serves. This area includes Sprint Services
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in Arizona. Now isn't that about as clear as mud?
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I hope that came close to answering your question - Silencer
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As for AT&T, I believe a recent event may have taken a little wind out of
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their arrogant sails.
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For those of you that care to call, my office number is 303-297-5318.
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28/59: got any jobs...
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Fri Jan 26 12:31:12 1990
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for out of work computer security technicians going to school for aerospace?
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spent five years working for ut in security.
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29/59: Sandy...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 26 17:32:53 1990
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did US SPrint absorb US West? Or are they still an individual company? I'd
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kind of like to know before I do something stupid.
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->ME
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30/59: well..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sat Jan 27 07:39:58 1990
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good a place as any to look for a security job.. i spose..
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open to ANY offers..
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<am i getting desperate here or what ?>
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Phoenix
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31/59: USWest is still an individual Bell company.
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Name: Opus #76
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Date: Sun Jan 28 11:30:35 1990
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RE: Sandy...
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I should know, I live in their territory (AZ) and they are still quite
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active, if their dumpsters (ahem) are any indication.
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[Opus]
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32/59: US West
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Name: Sandy Sandquist #49
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Date: Mon Jan 29 09:39:01 1990
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US West is a seperate company from US Sprint. US Sprint has to pay them for
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services such as access charges etc.
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Just a tid bit of trivia - Does anyone know what Joseph Stalin's phone number
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was during Lenin's term of office?
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33/59: well u must have
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Mon Jan 29 11:21:27 1990
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been watching that thing that diane sawyer and co. did on the kremlin
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the other nite. well no i didnt tape it. bummer.
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34/59: Well..
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Mon Jan 29 15:38:17 1990
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Sorry Sandy don't know that 1.
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But i had the Iatola Khomeni's when he was alive (sp). ;-)
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too bad those bastards didn't understand a thing we were screaming at them on
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the conference..
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Much Later (5-10 years probably)
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Par
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Jason
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35/59: things...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Mon Jan 29 19:25:55 1990
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You know, my mother didn't believe me when I told her I had talked to
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NOriega...he used to love to bullshit with "press"
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Kaddafy (sp...sorry, no arabic characters on my keyboard) would never talk to
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us though...
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The means to cause world-wide political unrest in the hands of bored children!
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Only in America!
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->ME
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36/59: Stalin's #
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Name: Sandy Sandquist #49
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Date: Tue Jan 30 14:08:45 1990
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122
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37/59: I was
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Name: Alter Ego #110
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Date: Tue Jan 30 19:05:19 1990
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wondering if any of ya security personal ever knew if someone was Social
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Engineered??
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Alter Ego
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38/59: heh
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Tue Jan 30 22:52:30 1990
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Well, I know that Sandy is aware of the bad habit Sprint operators *USED* to
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have of helpfully reading you the last code on their console if you claimed to
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be from engineering... <evil grin>
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me
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39/59: Social People
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Name: Sandy Sandquist #49
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Date: Wed Jan 31 10:29:51 1990
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Alter Ego - As the Mentor stated I am aware of that problem and several others
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that have been used to acquire codes and other information. Some have worked
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some have not. A lot of the social engineering that I see now is coming out
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of the prison systems. I guess these folks have a lot of time on their hands
|
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and put it to use trying to beat the system.
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A Question For All - What would you want to say to a Federal Law Enforcement
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Agency regarding Hacking and Phreaking if given the chance. I will be speaking
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to a group made up of these professionals within the next two weeks so hers
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is you chance. If all you want to do is trash them then don't waste your time,
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but if you have something worthwhile to say, let it be heard. If you do not
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wish to post something but want to call, I can be reached at 303-297-5318.
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40/59: What is the type of speech?
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Wed Jan 31 14:46:07 1990
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Are you tring to help them prevent people from hacking on their systems or
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what?
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grey owl
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41/59: ...
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Wed Jan 31 16:36:11 1990
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I'd tell 'em they can get a lot more done by enlisting the cooperation of
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people to eliminate holes in security rather than sitting back and *waiting*
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for people to exploit them.
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It's far better to be proactive than reactive.
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And please put in a plug for the board... :-)
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Mentor
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42/59: Proactive
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Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28
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Date: Wed Jan 31 17:00:55 1990
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I'd like to see the same approach to computer hacking that is done in
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Europe [or used to be done?]. Hacking should not be illegal. Gaining access
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to weak systems should not be illegal. Destroying, modifying, and
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reconfigurating data should be illegal.
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Anything that is done that would not otherwise endanger or destroy, or
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take from others, anything that does not hurt others, or be more than for
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informative purposes only, should not be illegal.
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Idon't know the actual term, but ...
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43/59: s
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Name: Dtmf #27
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Date: Wed Jan 31 22:45:13 1990
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Sic : I agree with you. I believe that as long as we don't harm anything, or
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cause any problems, there should be nothing wrong with it...
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44/59: well..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Feb 01 10:21:27 1990
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the problem with hacking as a whole <as you all probably know> is that once
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you gain access to a system, whether or not you damage anything, you have
|
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trespassed on other peoples property <in a real roundabout way, though>.
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and when youstart looking thru files <which everyone deos when they get on a
|
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system.. come on..> it is comparable to opening someones letter box, and
|
|
reading there mail. i mean i like to hack lots <more than lots> but i
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understand perfectly well why all aspects of it are illegal..
|
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still... id be prone to agree with mentor..
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phoenix
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45/59: Hacking...
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Name: Nemesis #122
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Date: Fri Feb 02 00:38:08 1990
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Well, one of the main reasons people hack is so they know how to do it.
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Few people set out to do any damage, and some get carried away in the
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|
excitement. But there IS no way to hack legaly, so what can you expect.
|
|
Someone may do no damage and cause no harm, but they are still breaking the
|
|
law. And why, because they just wanted to know. Now I know this sounds like
|
|
the same old Hacking for Knowlage line of crap, but there realy is something
|
|
to it. I dont set out to trash systems or caus losses, but everyone has their
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|
own interests. If your intrest happens to be fones or computers, the only
|
|
difference between that and other things is that most of what your interested
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in is Illegal. I mean lest be serious.
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I think its pretty much common knowlege that many of the
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people who have the best ideas today were hackers just a little while ago.
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And Id bet you anything that every last one of them would credit hacking with
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|
their major source of knowlage. You cant learn everything by reading a text
|
|
book, or going to school to learn BASIC. You cant learn ANYTHING that way.
|
|
The way I see it, Hacking has a GREAT deal to do with the kind of technology
|
|
we have today. I think before we try and tear down our MAIN source of
|
|
computer education, mabye we ought to have something to replace it with?
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46/59: Legal Hacking
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Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80
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Date: Fri Feb 02 04:33:15 1990
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I disagree with the notion that you cannot hack legally....I do this
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|
almost daily on a VAX/VMS system I work with. I have delved deeply
|
|
into the system and am still exploring to this day. And I would classify
|
|
it as hacking, because that is what it is in a pure form. IT does not
|
|
have to be illegal! Why complicate things more....
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47/59: well..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Fri Feb 02 11:11:29 1990
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delving deeply into public access areas of an operating system is not illegal..
|
|
delving into an operating system is not illegal..
|
|
delving into someone elses area of an operating system is illegal..
|
|
the boundaries are simple..
|
|
of course delving into a system which you have no obligation to be on is
|
|
illegal nomatter what..
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48/59: They...
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Fri Feb 02 22:59:42 1990
|
|
might want the definition of hacking changed... it
|
|
is not any idiot with a computer that knows how to use it. It is someone who
|
|
is serious about wanting to know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING. The world would
|
|
be a better place if there were more people like "hackers." At least then
|
|
people wouldn't say it can't be done, because anything is possible (except
|
|
getting a tax refund from the IRS...)
|
|
Also, tehre should be somthing like "punishment fitting the crime." Most
|
|
hackers (note this), do not destroy/modifiy/alter the data on the system that
|
|
they are on. The only thing I ever modify is the log of system activity (and
|
|
other things such as that) to cover my trails.
|
|
Lastly... get the "phreakers" out of the hacker name... they are completely
|
|
different people. They cross the lines often, but they are in it to rip-off
|
|
people, not for hte information. I want to know everything about the phone
|
|
system, since it seems know one else does (including ATT). That is a "hacker"
|
|
desire... it shouldn't be illegal.
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Daneel Olivaw -- Speaking up for what ever the hell need to be spoken for.
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49/59: Very true Daneel
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sat Feb 03 18:49:18 1990
|
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I have often noticed that when I ask someone if they hack (while on a chat
|
|
system) they will say "Yeah!" and I later find out that they are great hackers
|
|
or things like PBX's and 950's. That is NOT hacking. That is scanning. The
|
|
so-called phreakers of today are usually 13-year old kids with nice computers
|
|
and hard disks full of the latest pirated software. These are the same people
|
|
that get busted for calling Alliance meet-me conferences.
|
|
Hackers tend to stay away from sleazy chat systems like QSD, but manage to
|
|
call altger or tchh while trying out a pad. The hackers do what they do for
|
|
the information and thrill of finding something out about the system. I guess
|
|
you could classify the original phreakers (the ones with blue boxes, paper and
|
|
pencil) as phone hackers.
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|
grey owl
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50/59: Magazines
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Name: Captain Crook #36
|
|
Date: Sun Feb 04 23:24:35 1990
|
|
For anyone who hasn't gotten this magxD yet, get it. It is Data
|
|
Communications. I am looking~r for the following:
|
|
1) Voice Mail Systems
|
|
2) Teleconnect
|
|
3) Digital Review (aka Digital Data)
|
|
|
|
If anyone has names, numbers, or addresses get back to me.~r
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|
/l~rist
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|
?}i}ixDE_}i}i{_
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Z~r{_xD
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51/59: CERT
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
|
Date: Mon Feb 05 02:46:59 1990
|
|
Who specifically is CERT?
|
|
Are they a government agency>
|
|
Are they just an investigative task force of computer �urus?
|
|
Are they able to bring up charges?
|
|
Why are they at Carnegie-Mellon?
|
|
Why are they coming to UT?
|
|
some security person fill me in.
|
|
->ME
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52/59: IDEA!
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Name: Phelix The Hack #89
|
|
Date: Mon Feb 05 11:56:00 1990
|
|
how about some of the security personnel posting a "H/P most wanted list"...it
|
|
would be intersting to see how people are categorized for their crimes.
|
|
|
|
I would prefer a more "Hack" list than a "kkk0de killer" list..if it is at all
|
|
possible...in that I dont really care who is number one on sprints hit list
|
|
(sorry Sandy)
|
|
pth
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53/59: umm..
|
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
|
Date: Mon Feb 05 12:20:37 1990
|
|
well.. i know why they are coming to UT 8)
|
|
<sorry erik...>
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54/59: cert
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Name: Dark Sun #11
|
|
Date: Tue Feb 06 00:27:02 1990
|
|
Nuclear fusion related organization (from France I think)... there was a
|
|
special on PBS about them (the race for top) and 2 other organizations. It
|
|
will prolly be because of the Super-Collider of they are coming to UT
|
|
DS
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55/59: Organization
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Name: Signal Type #69
|
|
Date: Tue Feb 06 09:47:01 1990
|
|
The organization you guys were asking about did bust some kid known as
|
|
DC Duke of Company P. He s suposed got into a government mainframe and had
|
|
changed locations of certain things. I don't know the entire case but at
|
|
one time someone said Telenet was the one that used them most often. It
|
|
seems strange that yet another government agency is comming into the
|
|
picture. I mean we have FBI, SS, CIA and local authorities to deal with these
|
|
kinds of problems.
|
|
Par strange to see you on here I've heard the US government is on your
|
|
tail for some credit stuff. What's it all about?
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56/59: wll..
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
|
Date: Tue Feb 06 13:37:55 1990
|
|
corrct m if i am wrong.. butcrt to my opinion stands for "Computer Emergency
|
|
Response Team"
|
|
basically put, thy are the guys you call when a hackre is onlin, and you want
|
|
somthing done quick. <hell, th E ky doesnt work now..>
|
|
these are not people to laugh at. Most CERT people are fully trained security
|
|
experts.. and are damn damn good at what they do..
|
|
They are based at sei.cmu.1edu, with an any time mailing sesrvice to
|
|
cert@sei.cmu.edu. Hell, the only time that went down was when threy cut off
|
|
power to do some plumbing work or something..
|
|
still�... cert are a government agency.. and are basically arpanets
|
|
equivelant to a swat team... for computers <internet..>
|
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57/59: CERT
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Name: Gordon Meyer #65
|
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Date: Tue Feb 06 20:19:12 1990
|
|
CERT is a group of "experts"...to the best of my knowledge it is not a
|
|
government agency. Ken van Wyck is heavily involved in it, he's the
|
|
coordinator of the Virus-L interest group.
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|
|
58/59: CERT
|
|
Name: Phiber Cut #34
|
|
Date: Wed Feb 07 06:46:29 1990
|
|
Gordon is correct when he states that CERT is nothing more than a group of
|
|
"experts". They act primarily as a clearing house, only. They do not go
|
|
out and investigate hackers - they are not the secret service, fbi, cia,
|
|
nca, etc...
|
|
They provide information on security tools and workshops for industry and
|
|
government alike. They usually will be at usenix, etc...
|
|
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59/59: CERT...
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Name: Pain Hertz #84
|
|
Date: Wed Feb 07 18:29:44 1990
|
|
is Computer Emergency Response Team. They are concerned with computer
|
|
security in general, but concentrate on networks and Unix systems mainly.
|
|
Richard Pethia is director of CERT (rpd@sei.cmu.edu). As Gordon mentioned,
|
|
Kenneth van Wyk, 'runs' the digested VIRUS-L, which is a good source of
|
|
information in general. Look for a g-file soon from Richard Pethia via me
|
|
about CERT. I sent him mail saying whats the deal with CERT and he responded,
|
|
I'll upload it soon.
|
|
|
|
Also, according to the Phrack boys, CERT played a minor part in their
|
|
downfall. It seems when Phrack sent out back issues during the holidays, many
|
|
folks were not there to receive the files. Systems had problems with file
|
|
queues and storage. Sysadmins complained to CERT and so forth.
|
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|
-PHz
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< Security Personnel Q-Scan Done >
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______________________________________________________________________________
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*** {Phrack Electronic Newsletter Sub-Board} ***
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< Q-scan Phrack Incorporated 22 - 59 msgs >
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1/59: This Sub
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:31:51 1990
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This sub is used mainly as a collecting ground for information to pass on to
|
|
Knight Lightning and Taran King for the Phrack newsletter. Periodically (once
|
|
a week, hopefully) this sub will be buffered and e-mailed to them through
|
|
BITNET. If you have any questions or comments, post them. If you have articles
|
|
you want to submit, upload them directly to the me (go to the transfer
|
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section, use the command "Z") and I'll see that they get it.
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Mentor
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2/59: phrackd00dz
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Name: Ground Zero #30
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Date: Sat Jan 13 22:40:15 1990
|
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two guys I met on QSD called my
|
|
bbs # and claimed to be from Phrakc
|
|
and "interviewed" me about TCC and
|
|
other things. They sounded very
|
|
suspicious. Were these guys the real
|
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taran king and knight lightning (as
|
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they claimed to be)?
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-GZ
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3/59: The phrack twins...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
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Date: Sun Jan 14 02:06:41 1990
|
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don't call QSD and don't call bbses...I think
|
|
they will call here once in a blue moon, or else I will
|
|
have to start e-mailing them the messages...
|
|
Ms. Zero, you were taken in...I hope you
|
|
didn't tell them anything worthwhile...
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->ME
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4/59: Trouble in general...
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Name: Phrack Inc. #7
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 15 01:07:59 1990
|
|
Well this will be a once in a rare while kind of post. First of all, that was
|
|
not us that called your board, GZ. My guess is that it was Mork from New York
|
|
and his pal, Acid Phreak. Right guys? RIIIGHT. Those are the 2 names that
|
|
come to mind anyway (QSD...fucking with people...Phiber Optik and Acid
|
|
Phreak!). Anyway, there's a small problem. For those that mail us on the
|
|
networks to our UMCVMB on Bitnet or UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU addresses, please stop
|
|
until further notice. Any and all mail can be addressed to phrack@netsys.com
|
|
or ...!netsys!phrack or phrack%netsys.com@rutgers.edu or phrack@netsys.UUCP
|
|
(you get the idea?). Our accounts have been temporarily discontinued although
|
|
not deleted. We are thus far unsure as to what exactly our crimes have been
|
|
(although we have a number of suspicions! 8-)) and hopefully will find out
|
|
tomorrow. Regardless, the phrack@netsys.com addresses are mail forwarders and
|
|
should reach us eventually. I (Taran King by the way) am going to be getting
|
|
a new address on the networks. I'll mail anyone who I communicate with once I
|
|
get it.
|
|
As for Phrack 31, it's sort of in the works. We have a number of articles for
|
|
the issue already and the PWN stuff is going very well. Bloodaxe! How about
|
|
those articles??? Anyone else, as Mentor said, please upload them to him and
|
|
he'll get 'em to us somehow. Drop us a line if you haven't already and are on
|
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the nets.
|
|
Randy
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5/59: ...
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Name: Phiber Optik #6
|
|
Date: Wed Jan 17 17:47:49 1990
|
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Randy, Craig, shut up. I have better things to do than make believe (God
|
|
forbid) that I'm YOU guys. Jeez.
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6/59: UMCVMB Accounts
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Name: Phrack Inc. #7
|
|
Date: Thu Jan 18 08:47:06 1990
|
|
Hi this is Craig.
|
|
We lost the accounts for "something about a newsletter dealing with
|
|
telecommunications." The university did not feel it was in the pursuit of
|
|
education or academics.
|
|
They also received at least 17 letters of complaints from other system
|
|
managers because of the recent Back Phracks project that was conducted over
|
|
the Winter Break.
|
|
The problem was that some people requested all 30 issues and their mailboxes
|
|
over flowed because they were not getting on over the break. This caused
|
|
problems and attracted attention and thus it caused problems for us.
|
|
According to people at CERT at least one person who was a subscriber has lost
|
|
their job over all this. I could not find out who, but apparently it was
|
|
someone who was "on thin ice" already. CERT also said that they were recently
|
|
flooded with letters from people commenting, complaining, or just inquiring
|
|
about Phrack. The Internet community is stirred up in general.
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"phrack@netsys.COM" still works and I am collecting my mail regularly from
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other accounts I have on the net. These problems will NOT affect Phrack
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distribution (altougth it might hurt collection of files if people don't
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remember to mail us at phrack@netsys.COM and still try to use UMCVMB).
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:Craig
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PS- I guess the moom is blue today.
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\es
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7/59: Shit.
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 19 02:16:59 1990
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CERT has been flooded with Phrack Questions?
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Now that's smart. Anyone who knows anything should have just asked
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you two. That's shitty. Like CERT doesn't have their own
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problems dealing with "Internet Crackers on the Loose" and crap
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like that. Things must be slow at CMU that they have to bug
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harmless things. Hell, it's not like Phrack has been
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publishing ZARDOZ mail for fun.
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I think you should chat with the powers that be and get phrack
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set up as a newsgroup on UseNet! There is a BIG demand for the
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damn thing, and it would be easier for everyone to get, and
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you wouldn't have to send it all yourself! It would (or should)
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wash, if you let some Internet BigWig moderate it. Hell, It's
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usually about as big as RISKS is in a month, and if you put
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it out monthly, the load wouldn't be that bad.
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That's MY feelings about the situation.
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->ME
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8/59: ..
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Fri Jan 19 13:03:43 1990
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I second the notion. It IS a good idea.
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grey owl
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9/59: Of course ...
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Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28
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Date: Fri Jan 19 16:14:22 1990
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RE: ..
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... of course, if more PC-based systems ran Fidonet, they could FREQ it
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from somewhere. [here?]
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[FREQ=FileRequest]
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10/59: FREQing
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Fri Jan 19 19:29:08 1990
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Is there a Fidohost that carries all the Phracks?
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does it have a phone number?! (I want DETAILS)
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grey owl
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11/59: xxx
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Name: Gordon Meyer #65
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Date: Sat Jan 20 01:10:45 1990
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RE: Shit.
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I seriously disagree that publishing Phrack is not an academic pursuit.
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Depending on how up anal the computer center is I bet you could get some
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faculty member (maybe not even in computer science...try somebody in the
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sociology dept ) to "sponsor" or at least vouch for the thing. Hell, I'd do
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it.
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12/59: umm..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sat Jan 20 08:02:35 1990
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All that i have to say is that i am damned pissed off that the phrack boys got
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busted..
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They were doing a damn good job...
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking Out..
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13/59: @#)*(
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Name: Phiber Cut #34
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Date: Sat Jan 20 09:38:08 1990
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I hope someone else will pickup where they left off.....
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14/59: FidoHost
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Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28
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Date: Sat Jan 20 18:05:12 1990
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RE: FREQing
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Well, it appears that Phrack has perhaps seen its last days? I don't know
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a lot about whats happened, or going to happen, but the future looks dim on
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that subject. Of course, there's no reason for others not to try and continue.
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Can they actually prove plagerism in a text file with everyone using
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aliases, and no proof of original origins?
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Anyhow, back to "re: FidoHost".
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As far as I know, there isn't, but that doesn't blackline me. I'd be damn
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interested in hosting such a system. I've got the system, I'm fidonet, and
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the IFNA doesn't dare blacklist me. Besides, being a PhrackHost, even if they
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found out, wouldn't mean shit, there is no Fidonet bylaw that says I cannot
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support it actually. And beryond that, I could host the whole thing, putting
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the newsletter into the News Distribution echoes. Its good reading.
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[Besides, I'll put a bogus filter on the front of the TIC].
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Whatya think? If Mentor would give me some time to get the Phrack's
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they're as good as online.
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15/59: >>picking up where they left off
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Sun Jan 21 11:45:13 1990
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Maybe the PP <Phoenix Project> should start a magazine similar to Phrack. I
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liked the professionalism that Phrack put into a hacker magazine.
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I would be willing to help gather articles and write/edit news or articles.
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Someone needs to get in touch with KL and TK about us continuing Phrack if
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they don't come out of the trouble ok...
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grey owl
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16/59: Phrack and why it is dangerous....
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Name: Phiber Cut #34
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Date: Sun Jan 21 13:15:09 1990
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Has anyone ever tried to figure out just what it is about Phrack that has
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everyone up in arms? Is it the Phrack Profiles? They're interesting (I
|
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guess), t so what? Perhaps it is the Phrack world news? Naw, just a
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compilation of stuff from the news paper, mass media, etc. Geeze, wait
|
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a minute here. How about this - the articles on Networking are so
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advanced. Maybe it scares the shit out of them. Maybe they think....
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17/59: Maybe they think...
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Sun Jan 21 22:35:34 1990
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that we know more about Telenet, Tymnet, LMOS, COSMOS, Primos, VMS and UNIX
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than the people runnning the systems... it's true, we have to know more, and
|
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since when has pure information been illegal? It's what you do with it that
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counts.... hehe
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I'm willing to write for a new Phoenix edition of Phrack if it comes off...
|
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but then I'm all for moving SumerCon to Dallas (closer to me...)
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Daneel Olivaw
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./s
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Damn, I hate this command set...
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18/59: Information
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Mon Jan 22 03:15:59 1990
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Information is DANGEROUS...and cannot exist in the hands of a dangerous
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element if the government says so, thus, information is supressed to
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individuals on a very biased basis. Gee, that's what America is all about.
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Hell, someone better get over to the national archives and tack that on at te
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end.
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"Noone will be allowed to learn more about something than we say they can, and
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noone will have access to any information we say is too important to let them
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know about, as all men are created equal, except those who are more equal than
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others."
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Hell, let's scrap that whole freedom of speech thing too, Chris has a big
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fucking mouth and might open someone's eyes when he gets nailed and makes damn
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fucking sure that he makes 60 minutes...
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Supress supress... let's make him a non-person...big brother is our friend...
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Ignorance is strength
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War is peace
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Freedom is slavery...
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Blow me then...
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->ME
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19/59: hmm
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Mon Jan 22 09:32:42 1990
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i told you that you and your reedom o speech was a bunch of bullshit
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oh well..
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say what you want... go for it... but get shot in the meantime..
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god i love australia...!
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Phoenix
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20/59: constitution
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Name: Grey Owl #10
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Date: Mon Jan 22 14:22:48 1990
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If I were KL or TK I would be screaming "1st amendment voilation"
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grey owl
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21/59: Phrack etc.
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Name: Pain Hertz #84
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Date: Mon Jan 22 21:58:02 1990
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I do recall an article or something that was taken from another source. I
|
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also recall that the source was identified and that the author's permission
|
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was granted. This may not be what the SS was looking at though. I have a
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friend very active in civil writes, I am going to ask him about entrapment
|
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laws and laws pertaining to transmission of information etc. and see what he
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digs up. I think hes a member of the ACLU too. While I'm at it, it so
|
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happens that I have a friend who is security at UMCVMB. Ill tell him about a
|
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'rumour I heard' about UMC and the SS. Those of you that don't know it, there
|
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is an internet address where you can write and your mail will be forwarded to
|
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the IDH (Internet Directory of Hackers). I believe Terminus has set up the
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PHRACK@NETSYS.NETSYS.COM account this way.
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Later days... -PHz
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22/59: I think...
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Mon Jan 22 22:40:51 1990
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it'll all turn up in the next Random House book....
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Daneel Olivaw
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PS: Erik, you'de makke a 'interesting' book...
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23/59: Erik
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Tue Jan 23 19:25:31 1990
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erik: you'd definitely make 60 mins.
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hell, they still want to talk to me about that little ole saudi arabia
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citicorp card thing :-)
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Jason.
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24/59: Arg...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Tue Jan 23 23:14:06 1990
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60 minutes...gee...lil ol' me? Gawrsh fellas that's darn nice of ya'
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I an toying with an idea of interviewing a ton of hackers from my past &
|
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present, and making a big ol' file about them...Another chapter in the book I
|
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suppose...eh, Loyd? Maybe an APpendix...
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->ME
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25/59: well
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Wed Jan 24 01:34:33 1990
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i guess itsa price we all have to pay 8-)
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26/59: Hmmm...
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Name: The Apple Bandit #33
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Date: Wed Jan 24 04:16:25 1990
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Dont Steal; The government does not like Competetion... The Last Freedom: The
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Freedom to FLEE.... Tell you a little story: I was walking through a very
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dense forest along the path, Well I came upon a fork in the path, I took the
|
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path less traveled by; and that has made all the Difference.
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27/59: yeah
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Fri Jan 26 00:25:29 1990
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Yeah...on that path you get attacked and torn to shreds by wild beasts..barely
|
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anyone has been able to actually get to their destination by that path...if
|
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you know what i mean... just when they are almost there and doing quite
|
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well..they usually end up getting eaten alive.
|
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On with the Techno-Revolution!
|
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On with Phrack!
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On with the fight!
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We've come farther down the road than ever...on down the road!
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- Silencer
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28/59: Yes...
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Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28
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Date: Fri Jan 26 08:24:51 1990
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Yes, as I stated on the General Messages Forum, I see no reason to stop
|
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Phrack. All of KL'
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s and TK's work would go down the drain for what ... nothing.
|
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I mean, I don't think making a mailing address for submissions is the
|
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"right" idea at this time, but there a PLENTY of people who could back-alley
|
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issue some good editions. I'm willing to put my "umphft" into it to keep the
|
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standards that KL and TK started.
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I see no reason, none at all, NOT to continue releasals. For if they take
|
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Phrack down, what's next, Pheonix Project <I say, no!>. They cannot knock us
|
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down that easily. There are more of us (brains to brains ratio), and we're
|
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smarter fast, and a little more curious.
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Anyone who's ready to start Phrack 31, or have PHrack 31 started, count me
|
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in, I'm willing to start tommorrow if the proposal is made.
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29/59: well....
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Fri Jan 26 12:36:17 1990
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seems to me one way to get input would be to put up posts in different
|
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cities about u/l text files. then call back on a regular basis and d/l
|
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them like a regular curious user. then every few months compile what
|
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everyone has, say at this bbs, and then put it out. while it might take
|
|
some time to do it could pay off. might cover such stuff as breaking
|
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copy machine protection, copy protection crack schemes for different
|
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games, source listings of programs, newspaper articles, security info
|
|
for computers, anarchist articles, etc. it would allow contacting all
|
|
these groups all over the country and getting info from them in
|
|
return for info from other groups and paying it back by distributing
|
|
said info. one way would be to add crack screens to games that would
|
|
in general tell people how to input to the group. maybe a list of
|
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bbs's in larger cities?
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30/59: phrack 31
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Fri Jan 26 16:35:38 1990
|
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Hasnt phrack 31 already been started? Maybe someone should try to get it from
|
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TK & KL...
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DS
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31/59: Like I was saying...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 26 17:36:13 1990
|
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Don't be flag-waving phrack everywhere...and please don't start ranting about
|
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phrack31 beingput out by "whoever"
|
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It's not yours to put out.
|
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I will call Craig after I hang up, and by the end of the weekend, we will know
|
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what going to happen, ok?
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->ME
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32/59: Phrack
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Name: The Prophet #104
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Date: Fri Jan 26 18:03:29 1990
|
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Could someone please clear this up for me -- have R&C been charged, or not? I
|
|
If so, what are the charges? (Add any other information you care to.)
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-TP
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33/59: rc
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Fri Jan 26 19:34:19 1990
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No, they haven't been charged with anything yet. Craig has a meeting with his
|
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lawyer tomorrow, we'll know more on Monday.
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me
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34/59: how about
|
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Name: Grey Owl #10
|
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Date: Sun Jan 28 00:15:37 1990
|
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continuing the Phrack tradition under a new name...maybe something having to
|
|
do with the Phoenix Project. This could be the home BBS of it, of course.
|
|
just an idea!
|
|
grey owl
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35/59: phrack
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Name: Phelix The Hack #89
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Date: Mon Jan 29 12:00:04 1990
|
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Why doesn't everyone simply let Phrack die in peace? I mean it was pretty
|
|
good at times ..but c'mon! If you feel that a gaping hole has been left in
|
|
your life at the absence of phrack....well perhpas that particular problem
|
|
should be the LEAST of your worries.
|
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Here is a novel concept...start another magazine!...Tahts orignal! Rather
|
|
than bickering over the rights as to who owns the name ...(TAP..blah..balh..)
|
|
or passinfg the responsabilty to someone less qjualified (does noone remeber
|
|
Crimson DEath?)...simplystart another.
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I am in no way putting down Phrack...on the contrary I am attempting to at
|
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least keep it name alive...untainted.
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sheesh.
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pth.
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36/59: ahh
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Mon Jan 29 12:26:18 1990
|
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i agree with that..
|
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i mean phrack is none o ours to pick up..
|
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and a new magazine can do the same job..!
|
|
id countribute quite happily...
|
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<but apparently i cant spell.>
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37/59: but...
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Name: Dark Sun #11
|
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Date: Mon Jan 29 18:03:46 1990
|
|
Phrack was just about the only mag that lasted thru the times...
|
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DS
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38/59: OK damnit.
|
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Mon Jan 29 19:31:51 1990
|
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It's not like I have a computer, time, or privacy anymore, but what the
|
|
fuck...I'm going to compile a new internet mailing list, send out a bulletin
|
|
to everyone to spread the word that a new magazine is coming out. OK?
|
|
Me and Loyd will be collecting unreleased files and start shipping them out
|
|
whenever I get around to it. Start send ing submissions to the sysop
|
|
directory, or to erikb@walt.cc.utexas.edu
|
|
ok? Craig wants phrack to remain dormant, especially since it has too many
|
|
ties to him, and any new surge would reflect bad on him.
|
|
Prophet...the feds are MAD about the E911 files you sent to the Phrack
|
|
boys...where exactly did they come from?
|
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->ME
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39/59: cool
|
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Name: Silencer #31
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Date: Mon Jan 29 20:49:42 1990
|
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that sounds good....prophet..i read on some bbs that you were busted or
|
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something.....lies??
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40/59: no
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Mon Jan 29 21:27:15 1990
|
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No lies. He was busted. You read it here.
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Mentor
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41/59: hmm
|
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
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Date: Tue Jan 30 07:23:48 1990
|
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i honestly couldnt think of anything more annoying...
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42/59: What kind of
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Name: Grey Owl #10
|
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Date: Tue Jan 30 17:53:38 1990
|
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What kind of files will this ALLEGED new magazine be accepting? I can get up
|
|
some pyro stuff that I have tested and worked out some problems with.
|
|
Interested???
|
|
Oh yeah...what's the name gonna be?
|
|
grey owl
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43/59: got some ideas...
|
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Name: Ravage #19
|
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Date: Tue Jan 30 21:42:04 1990
|
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on making multi-processors systems machine independant using dual port ram.
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44/59: nope
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Name: The Mentor #1
|
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Date: Tue Jan 30 22:53:16 1990
|
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No anarchy stuff. Just hack/phreak/programming.
|
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me
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45/59: ok
|
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
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Date: Thu Feb 01 10:21:55 1990
|
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sounds like a good idea to me..
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/e
|
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arg
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46/59: I have...
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
|
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Date: Fri Feb 02 23:02:21 1990
|
|
a three part series in the works (as Erik and Mentor know) about all of the
|
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networks in the world..
|
|
The series is broken down as follows:
|
|
1. The USA (as it covers the most people and I live here)
|
|
2. Europe
|
|
3. Others (Australia, Far East)
|
|
I am covering all of Internet at the moment, and whaver of the PSN that need
|
|
to be covered for that (i.e. Telenet at times).
|
|
Also, I have a list of all the DNICS (already up), and several other misc.
|
|
files to offer. I am also considering a file on the 5ESS (as I have a
|
|
complete set of manuals... I got the others Mentor).
|
|
Daneel Olivaw
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47/59: djdkfjd
|
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Name: Gordon Meyer #65
|
|
Date: Sat Feb 03 10:02:24 1990
|
|
Eric - so you talked to Craig and he said he wanted phrack to remain dormant.
|
|
Okay, that makes sense. Did he mention any plans of starting it up again
|
|
later? How're he and R taking all this? Defiantly? THankful they haven't been
|
|
charged w/anything? Bored? Scared?
|
|
CIAO!
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48/59: Hey...
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Name: Warf #81
|
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Date: Sat Feb 03 18:28:08 1990
|
|
If you guys need some help spreing Phrack everymonth to like the west
|
|
cost... I'm here now.. hhehehe! I live in the AZ area and I can put it out
|
|
over there.. Good idea?
|
|
<=[Warf]=>
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49/59: umm
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
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Date: Sun Feb 04 06:01:09 1990
|
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i think easiest way is to just sendmail it to various unix everywhere.. and
|
|
then have sub distributions off there..
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50/59: Distribution...
|
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Name: Pain Hertz #84
|
|
Date: Sun Feb 04 12:14:41 1990
|
|
...of Phrack was provided via LISTSERV. Phoenix's idea is similar to the
|
|
LISTSERV concept. A distribution site sends mail/files to only the users in
|
|
its site. Only a few copies are needed to be sent to the distribution points.
|
|
This greatly reduceds net traffic, which makes the 'stuff' less noticable.
|
|
However, with LISTSERV, this is an extensive logging system making anonymous
|
|
distribution, anonymous final addresses nearly impossible.
|
|
|
|
Another possibility is using FTP sites. There are several anonymous FTP sites
|
|
that allow users to PUT files. One of them being CERT (CERT.SEI.CMU.EDU).
|
|
Perhaps a combination of both would be good.
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-PHz
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51/59: well..
|
|
Name: Phoenix #17
|
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Date: Sun Feb 04 16:07:15 1990
|
|
i think that we should get the damn thing written before figuring out how to
|
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get it everywhere.. that will seriously be a small problem.. and you can make
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it look like it comes from anywhere by forging mail thru smtp ;-)
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phrack@sei.cmu.edu for example.. might annoy some people.. 8)
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52/59: the problem with PUTting
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Name: Dark Sun #11
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Date: Sun Feb 04 17:54:00 1990
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ftp files up is that any other anonymous ftp'er can come along and delete 'em.
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DS
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53/59: !
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Mon Feb 05 02:54:45 1990
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The "magazine" will be called
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MATRIX
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I want every file anyone will send...I plan on writing some pretty wild stuff
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myself, not just hack/phreak.
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Anything interesting, informative, and bizarre enough not to be something that
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you'd read anywhere else.
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The distribution will be as follows:
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Anyone on internet will receive a copy if they desire.
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THis bbs will have it online
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Anyone who wishes to distribute it to other bbses
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The internet distribution will occur from randomly selected sites each issue,
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and it will send them over smtp to disguise the points of origin.
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Now: start writing.
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->ME
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54/59: Busted
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Name: Gordon Meyer #65
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Date: Tue Feb 06 20:22:44 1990
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Almost fell out of my chair... come home from work...turn on the evening
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news.. (local chicago teevee...not the national) and there is a big story aout
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The Prophet and Knight Lightning being indicted. Also a nice little graphic
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showing how the E911 info flowed from down south to Illinois...to Knight
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Lightning at his school. The US attorney must have said a dozen times that
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this was a case of "out and out theft". They also showed a LoD graphic and
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talked about how "one must commit an act of computer theft or espionage to
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become a member of this hacker gang".
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More later...I'm working in coming up with a transcript of the broadcast.
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-=->G<-=-
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55/59: ARGH!!!
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Name: Pain Hertz #84
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Date: Tue Feb 06 22:28:38 1990
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Boy am I ticked... Craig was not an LOD member, and to imply that to be an
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LOD member you have to break several laws etc. whatever is crazy...
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Whoever it is that gets the AP feeds, I dont remember who it was, please see
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if you can upload the one on Prophet and KL.
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...and remember... Pain Hertz
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56/59: lame lame lame
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Tue Feb 06 23:05:06 1990
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Dumbshits. That about sums it up.
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me
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57/59: what the fuck?
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Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80
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Date: Wed Feb 07 04:25:55 1990
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Were they pranking 911 or something???? what is this 911 business?
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58/59: busted....
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Wed Feb 07 10:12:34 1990
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call the station and ask for a copy of the video. just tell them you kow
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of some of the lod members and they are totaly interested in it. heck,
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might even interview you.
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59/59: Looks like the LOD...
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Wed Feb 07 16:10:14 1990
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name is going down hill... having to comit some horrid crime to get in? I
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thought you just had to know what the hell you were doing, and be able to
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truly contribute to the group.
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Daneel Olivaw
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PS: Mentor: What was that about having to kill your parents (IT'S A INSIDE
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JOKE PEOPLE! DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY!)
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< Phrack Incorporated Q-Scan Done >
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_____________________________________________________________________________
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*** {Private Sub-Board} ***
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< Q-scan Friends of the Family 23 - 49 msgs >
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1/49: This Sub
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> Permanent Message
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Sun Jan 07 05:33:36 1990
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Welp, this is not an elite sub by any means, nor is it a place where you can
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post illegal information. If you have access here, it means that I know you,
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and consider you, if not a friend, at least a casual acquaintence. Yes, there
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are feds who have access here. You'll probably know who they are . . .
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Loyd
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2/49: Me.
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Tue Jan 09 14:55:09 1990
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I'm glad I'm a friend.
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Wait, what if I'm not, but only have access here because I'm cosysop?
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Now I'm paranoid. Ok, as you find you have access here, please speak so
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everyone will know who is here.
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->ME
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3/49: k-k00l d00dz
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Name: Phase Jitter #3
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Date: Wed Jan 10 07:32:15 1990
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I'm here d00dz. I feel kinda eilte d00d..
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Phase
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(Happy there is something to call)
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4/49: Ta-Dah!!!
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Name: Phiber Optik #6
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Date: Wed Jan 10 16:49:09 1990
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I'm here too, gosh, I must be elyte.
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PO
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LOD00D!
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5/49: Hmm..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Jan 11 03:49:56 1990
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What am i doing here ???/?
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Oh well...
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But im not complaining..
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking out..
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6/49: friend
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Thu Jan 11 21:21:59 1990
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Well, you're a friend of Erik's, therefore, "of the family."
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Loyd
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7/49: gawd
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Sat Jan 13 09:07:06 1990
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God everyone else posted a stupid fucking message saying they are a friend so
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what the hell i guess i am..
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maybe not..
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maybe it's because those SS boys and NSA boys think i'm a COMRADE...hehehe
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anyway who knows...
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i'm just glad i'm still fucking free.
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Peace to the world...
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Bahahaha <glastnost and all that happy horseshit>
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Jason.
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8/49: x
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Name: Frame Error #5
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Date: Sat Jan 13 12:13:59 1990
|
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Just checking in.
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9/49: Well,
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Sat Jan 13 20:32:29 1990
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well, since this bbs is an official Secret Service setup, we
|
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consider you all COMRADES and potential commie-pinko fuckups.
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|
You will all be receiving visits from some of our coked-out special
|
|
agents, who will probably be jones-ing pretty bad by the time they reach your
|
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houses, so you better damn well have some cocaine for them! Else,
|
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they might just riddle you full of lead, then take your porno & drink
|
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your beer! And a few good cd's they might not have already.
|
|
SO BEWARE...and remember, when you connect to
|
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ANY system on the x-25 networks overseas, WE ARE WATCHING!
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(grin)
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->ME
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10/49: hmm..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sat Jan 13 21:10:54 1990
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Do i cop a visit too ???
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<Message sent from 25000 miles away>
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Phoenix
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<The Flatline>
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Jacking out..
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11/49: zdrasvityeah....
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Thu Jan 18 10:45:15 1990
|
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moy harosho droog. (could we get a cyrillic font on here?)
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kak ya delayut? (i can never get the right transcription system!)
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well just saying hi.
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ravage
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black
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leather
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monster
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12/49: Does this mean?
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Thu Jan 18 19:39:27 1990
|
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that I'm a friend? I guess so...
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|
Hey Mentor, exactly when is SumerCon?
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Daneel
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13/49: Dude...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
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Date: Fri Jan 19 02:17:59 1990
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You're only a friend since you u/l the uucp packages!
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hehe...just kidding.
|
|
->ME
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14/49: i will try hard
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Fri Jan 19 06:48:52 1990
|
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to get to summercon... never can tell...
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Phoenix
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15/49: Hmmm...
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Fri Jan 19 07:16:51 1990
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EB: you are definitely right.. i have to contact u somehow..
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Something is fucking rotting in Denmark..
|
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(not to mention being rotten)
|
|
Later,
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Par
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Jason
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16/49: Da
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Name: Gordon Meyer #65
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Date: Sat Jan 20 00:51:27 1990
|
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Greetings Comrades!
|
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Ahhh..shit...the only russian I know is "groodgies" (spelled phonetically
|
|
natch)...which is "tits".
|
|
So much for my survival in the big red world.
|
|
-=->G<-=-
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17/49: summercon!
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Name: The Mentor #1
|
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Date: Sat Jan 20 03:11:23 1990
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Ok, since it looks like the Phrack boys got popped, Erik & I will probably
|
|
continue to plan Summercon. It'll just be moved to Dallas (better hub anyway).
|
|
Mentor
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18/49: summercon
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Sat Jan 20 08:03:40 1990
|
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dallas is still damn far away <from me, anyway..>
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19/49: Good!
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Sun Jan 21 10:42:43 1990
|
|
I hated the weather in St. Louis anyway ;-)
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Jason
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20/49: hell...
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 22 03:18:38 1990
|
|
Me, Par & Phoenix won't be able to attend anyway...we'll be having "Jail-Con"
|
|
somewhere...maybe we'll have adjoining cells...HEY! Maybe NOriega will be a
|
|
fourth for bridge!!
|
|
Hehe, or James Brown!!!
|
|
Heeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyy
|
|
Jump back, gonna kiss myself!
|
|
->ME
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21/49: To the select few
|
|
Name: Black Magic #54
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 22 04:47:29 1990
|
|
Hey! Yes It's Chris (Chris's) roommate. I really like typing anything I have
|
|
to say because I'm tired of mumbling.
|
|
In case any of you were wondering, steering wheels taste like shit (and so do
|
|
milkshakes and soup after a month) so don't forget niggers get the big points,
|
|
not telephone poles. Aim your car accordingly.
|
|
Don't hesitate to leave me lengthy messages with anything, even Julia Child's
|
|
latest concoction or articles from Hustler, because I can't work or go to
|
|
school so I'm just an alcoholic who sits at home with nothing better to do.
|
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22/49: oh hell..
|
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 22 09:36:16 1990
|
|
reckon theyll give us our own terminals in jail ?
|
|
I hope so... lie would get really boring with out them..
|
|
and then wedhave to get violent...
|
|
Coming really really soon....!
|
|
The bbs with no name.. o some mainrame somewhere...
|
|
<somehow>
|
|
source is inished...
|
|
<AAARRGGGGHHH my keyboard is shitting me..>
|
|
just looking or location..
|
|
and i think i ound the ideal one..
|
|
may take some heat o some peope or a while..
|
|
coz noone claims responsibility or a board on a mainrame..
|
|
except me...
|
|
and then i got diplomatic immunity.. sort of...
|
|
see you in prison... <or pinned to some post in ront of a iring squad>
|
|
Phoenix
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|
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23/49: Hehehe
|
|
Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 22 18:36:15 1990
|
|
You know Phoenix, reading a post from you is like reading a script from Scooby
|
|
Doo...
|
|
no f's...
|
|
ront o a iring squad.. Rearry Shaggy...Scoooby Dooby Doooooo....
|
|
->ME
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|
24/49: well
|
|
Name: Phoenix #17
|
|
Date: Tue Jan 23 06:55:06 1990
|
|
at least its original...
|
|
one o these days ill fix the ucker..
|
|
<it works sometimes... or if i hit it hard enough..>
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25/49: oh well.
|
|
Name: The Parmaster #21
|
|
Date: Tue Jan 23 19:30:05 1990
|
|
And now, the end is near i've traveled each and every byway ..
|
|
in the word of the king (at leats i think thats the way it went)
|
|
oh well who cares.. he was a fat shit b4 he dided anyway.
|
|
to everyone who's been a good friend of mine and help me cover up the fact i
|
|
don't knwo a fucking thing.. i thank u.
|
|
and toi everyone else take it easy and hang tough.
|
|
to those guysin the SS: i don't knwo the first fucking thing about hacking..
|
|
(at least i don't remember) and anyway i was temporarily insane at the time
|
|
(no joke)
|
|
oh well.
|
|
see you smart guys at the funny farm.
|
|
Par
|
|
Jason.
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26/49: Jase...
|
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Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
|
Date: Tue Jan 23 23:21:39 1990
|
|
SHit man, don't drink and think about things like that. It's not healthy.
|
|
Mentally or physically.
|
|
Come to Austin. We'll keep you somewhere until we can get something worked
|
|
out for you. A year in minimum security (Club Fed) is better then chucking a
|
|
whole life. Hell, youre 19!! Tell you what...if they stick you somewhere not
|
|
too harsh (with stockbrokers like Reitman (sp) and people like that I'll go
|
|
too to keep you company...I'm probably going to be there anyway)
|
|
We both need a good dose of Discipline anyway...maybe the AirFOrce will want
|
|
us...I'm doing terrible in college anyway.
|
|
I have discarded the "permanent" solution for good. Dead people can't get
|
|
laid...people in federal prisons DO get conjugal visits!!! Unless you kill a
|
|
guard or something outrageous.
|
|
Think of Florence...
|
|
call over here at whatever time you read this...Chris & I need to talk to you
|
|
about something else anyway, but now I can see you are really getting worried,
|
|
so just fucking call...
|
|
->ME
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27/49: Dalas
|
|
Name: Phase Jitter #3
|
|
Date: Tue Jan 23 23:39:28 1990
|
|
Lloyd, Chris,
|
|
How about a nother Dalas con! I really had fun there..
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|
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28/49: Doom Con...
|
|
Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
|
Date: Wed Jan 24 18:16:51 1990
|
|
Six-Flags, drugs & 14 year old women!!!
|
|
Dallas was a blast...we will have to do it again.
|
|
THis time: Dan & LOyd, you will have to try not to be scared of the mall. I
|
|
know all the lights, bells & whistles seem scary, but video games can't hurt
|
|
you. Computers are our friends!
|
|
Hehe...THe doubletree is looking good...I think if we do damn well go up there
|
|
again, this fucking time we are going trashing whether anyone wants to or
|
|
not!!!
|
|
That's what got everyone so scared to begin with (fed wise), so let's give
|
|
their undercover stakeout people something to do! I
|
|
can just see two dudes sitting at the fucking holiday inn waiting patiently
|
|
for us to show up. hehe
|
|
thank god we didn't...or they would have made us pay their way into the
|
|
fucking theme park.
|
|
->ME
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29/49: ---666---
|
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Name: The Urvile #90
|
|
Date: Thu Jan 25 18:41:25 1990
|
|
so what's been happening over the past few months, eh? phiber optik, you
|
|
back? jitter? mentor? guess that's more or less everybody from the
|
|
old crew.
|
|
i think i'll make it for a dallas-con this next year, assuming, of course,
|
|
that i'm not in jail. unless you're scared of me being there.
|
|
-legion of doom, anyone?
|
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|
|
30/49: Well...
|
|
Name: The Parmaster #21
|
|
Date: Thu Jan 25 19:07:16 1990
|
|
Summercon was fun...
|
|
but i'm afraid i'll have to pass on this one "just right now"
|
|
maybe in 5 to 6 years. :-(
|
|
Later,
|
|
Par
|
|
Jason
|
|
31/49: well..
|
|
Name: Phoenix #17
|
|
Date: Fri Jan 26 01:52:34 1990
|
|
if i make it... my 5-6 years will be begining too!
|
|
not all tat bad par ;-)
|
|
erik... care to join us ?
|
|
Phoenix
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32/49: dallas
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Name: The Mentor #1
|
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Date: Fri Jan 26 19:35:21 1990
|
|
Hell, there was hardly anyone at Dallas last summer and it was fun... Chris &
|
|
I will begin planning for this year. How does mid-july sound?
|
|
me
|
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|
|
33/49: ok
|
|
Name: The Mentor #1
|
|
Date: Sat Jan 27 12:16:28 1990
|
|
How does mid-July sound for DoomCon II? I don't have a calander in my lap, but
|
|
whatever weekend is closest to the 15th. We'd probably run it out of a Best
|
|
Western or something relatively cheap (the Doubletree was nice, but most
|
|
people aren't going have $155 for a room...) We could pick people up at DFW
|
|
and Love field (we probably want a hotel in or near DFW...
|
|
So how many people'd show? I don't want this to be a big, open invite thing.
|
|
Just people we know (and friends that they might bring with them and vouch
|
|
for.)
|
|
loyd
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34/49: hey...
|
|
Name: Ravage #19
|
|
Date: Sun Jan 28 13:59:25 1990
|
|
my birthday is the 15th. sounds kool to me. how about in gelveston?
|
|
we could visit smash palace south :-)
|
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35/49: hmm
|
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Name: Phoenix #17
|
|
Date: Sun Jan 28 14:23:33 1990
|
|
love to show.. but dont like guaranteeing anything <sigh..>
|
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36/49: I'd be there...
|
|
Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
|
|
Date: Sun Jan 28 22:25:28 1990
|
|
and yes trashing is the only way to find out things... I got 2 COSMOS
|
|
passwords last night... people are in general... stupid..
|
|
Hehe... Best Western sounds good to me... hope SouthWest'll still fly there
|
|
cheap.
|
|
Daneel Olivaw
|
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37/49: daneel
|
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Name: The Mentor #1
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 29 02:35:07 1990
|
|
Hell, you can pile in the car with me & Erik & Lone Wolf (wish he'd get a
|
|
phone line again...). Getting there is half the fun! <weaving only slightly>
|
|
Besides, as the chemical-free kid, you'd probably get to drive! This gets
|
|
better.
|
|
"Mom, I'm driving three wastoids to Dallas this weekend. Don't wait up."
|
|
Rav-
|
|
The reason for Dallas instead of here or someplace else is because DFW is
|
|
a hub and people can get reasonably cheap rates. Besides, West End is
|
|
absolutely too cool, even if you do freak out on it a little at first.
|
|
99 bottles of beer in the car...
|
|
mentor
|
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38/49: dallas...
|
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Name: Ravage #19
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 29 11:22:55 1990
|
|
is ok by me. it isnt any further than galveston and i need to get with a
|
|
young lady there about a cd copy of heavy metal from japan. count me
|
|
in!
|
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39/49: Well shit..
|
|
Name: The Parmaster #21
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 29 15:45:05 1990
|
|
It's happening soon guys..
|
|
I wish i coul have bought more time.
|
|
And worked out a deal.
|
|
But nada... they are nearby now.
|
|
i can tell which cars are theirs driving by outside.
|
|
This is the weirdest case of Deja vu i've ever had.
|
|
(because it realy did happento me before)
|
|
Anyway got an interesting call today.
|
|
It was from Eddie..one of the bell systems computers...
|
|
It was rather fantasy like...
|
|
Probably just his way of saying goodbye
|
|
Eddie was a good friend..smartest damn unix around...
|
|
and he called to tell me goodbye today
|
|
(no joke)
|
|
now i know i'm fucked.
|
|
thanks eddie it's been real.
|
|
(whoever you are)
|
|
"ok eddie, this one's for you"
|
|
Much Later,
|
|
Par
|
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The ParMaster
|
|
Jason
|
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40/49: Jase...
|
|
Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2
|
|
Date: Mon Jan 29 19:36:38 1990
|
|
Buddy, you are over the edge...lay off the weed. Not everyone with glasses
|
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and dark suits are feds. Not all cars with generic hubcaps are government
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issue.
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Well hell, I don't know what the hell eddie is, but that's a real bizarre msg.
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Fly to austin...like tomorrow...got plenty of places to stash you until things
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can be smoothed out for a calm transition.
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->ME
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41/49: Dammit...
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Mon Jan 29 21:10:00 1990
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I knew staying sober (most of the time) would get me into shit like this...
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hell I guess I could help drive, I say we rent a car though... hehe... no use
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ruining a good car when we can rent a nice Lincoln for a weekend... hehe...
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keeps the beer from spilling...
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Daneel Olivaw
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PS: Erik, you aren't exactly the best person to be stashing people are you?
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42/49: well...
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Mon Jan 29 23:18:31 1990
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how much would a three day limo rent be?
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can we get a beemer from hurtz or avis?
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43/49: eehh..
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Tue Jan 30 07:25:59 1990
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hmmmmmmmm...
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<wonders real REAL thoughtufully>
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<and turns up a blank..>
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what is young par up to ?
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44/49: Talked to...
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Name: Daneel Olivaw #9
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Date: Tue Jan 30 18:34:45 1990
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several places today about getting a Taraus SHO (you know, the one with
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220hp), but they said "You must be crazy." The best I could do was about
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$29/day with unlimited miles and that was for a nice Mustang GT... hehe
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Daneel Olivaw
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45/49: You know you are screwed when.
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Name: The Parmaster #21
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Date: Wed Jan 31 14:26:04 1990
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Surveyers survey your neighbors regularly, and wear sunglasses when i't
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like 11 degrees and cloudy as hell out.
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When an AUTOMATED Customer Name and ADDRESS Lister calls you and tells you
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your address.
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The same cars keep driving by outside day and night (been thinking about
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providing coffee and doughnuts)
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This is getting really fucking ridiculous.
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Oh well, i guess i could say
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"Things could be better"
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Jason
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46/49: heh
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Name: The Mentor #1
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Date: Wed Jan 31 16:37:04 1990
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Ummm, I wear sunglasses when it's 11 degrees and cloudy... so you can
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eliminate that one. :-)
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47/49: hmm
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Name: Phoenix #17
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Date: Thu Feb 01 10:22:46 1990
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at least you arent getting shot at 8)
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48/49: why dont you ....
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Name: Ravage #19
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Date: Thu Feb 01 10:56:04 1990
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just go out and say hi to the nice gentleman? if i kept seeing the same
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people tooling around my neighborhood i would activly check them out
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if they seemed weird.
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49/49: jump 'em
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Name: Aston Martin #133
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Date: Tue Feb 06 18:04:55 1990
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What you could do is go out to one of the vans sitting in the street (you
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know, the one with the two guys sitting in it all day) with a pair of jumper
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cables and ask them if they need a jump, you've seen them sitting there all
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day and you thought they were stuck.
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Hell, why don't you take 'um sandwhiches too.
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Aston
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P.S. Thanks for letting me join the family d00dz.
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< Friends of the Family Q-Scan Done >
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<< Global Q-Scan Done >>
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*** {Directory of Downloadable files online} ***
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Sysop - #0, 5 files.
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MSCFILES.ZIP: 204k :Miscellaneous files...
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RSH .C : 6k :source code or rsh <remote shell> command on unix bsd 4.3
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CRUNCH .C : 15k :unix password cruncher..keep quiet and compile with -DFDES
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ANSIDRAW.COM: ASK :ansidraw
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AUTONET1.SCA: ASK :first autonet scan - just a sample to see ormat..
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Source Code - #1, 4 files.
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DES .LZH: 7k :Data Encryption Standard - DES - 'c' source code
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CD .COM: 10k :VAX DCL file for changing directories (by The Mentor)
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CRYPT .C : 3k :A fast version of the UNIX Crypt. Fairly secure.
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VAX-XMOD.FOR: 60k :VAX XMODEM implementation in FORTRAN
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System/Software Documentation - #2, 2 files.
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TAURUS .TXT: 25k :taurus command processor instructions for cyber 170/750
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X25SPEC .TXT: 104k :Specs for an X25 connection.
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IBM Programs - #3, 5 files.
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===========================
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ASYNC11 .ZIP: 27k :Turbo Pascal 5.0 Async package. FEATURES!!!
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CONFIDE .ARC: 82k :Confide Encryption Program
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PRIVATE .ARC: 18k :Private (DES) Encryption Program
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TM-DEMO .ARC: 213k :Demo of Telemail
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TM-TUTOR.ARC: 151k :Telemail Tutorial
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Commodore Programs - #5, 4 files.
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VIRUSX .ARC: 19k :virusx 1.2 virus elimination utility.
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ARC . : 50k :arc file compression utility
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ZOO . : 41k :zoo file compression utility
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HP-11C .ZOO: 33k :hp11c emulator for ammy, nice!
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ARCed Phracks - #7, 30 files.
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PHRACK13.ARC: 49k :Phrack 13
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PHRACK20.ZIP: 140k :Phrack Newsletter, #20
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PHRACK1 .ARC: 14k :Phrack Issue #1
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PHRACK10.ARC: 41k :Phrack Issue #10
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PHRACK11.ARC: 58k :Phrack Issue #11
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PHRACK12.ARC: 55k :Phrack Issue #12
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PHRACK14.ARC: 47k :Phrack Issue #14
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PHRACK15.ARC: 44k :Phrack Issue #15
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PHRACK16.ARC: 34k :Phrack Issue #16
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PHRACK17.ARC: 65k :Phrack Issue #17
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PHRACK18.ARC: 72k :Phrack Issue #18
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PHRACK19.ARC: 37k :Phrack Issue #19
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PHRACK2 .ARC: 18k :Phrack Issue #2
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PHRACK21.ARC: 112k :Phrack Issue #21
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PHRACK22.ARC: 122k :Phrack Issue #22
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PHRACK23.ARC: 82k :Phrack Issue #23
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PHRACK24.ARC: 100k :Phrack Issue #24
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PHRACK25.ARC: 96k :Phrack Issue #25
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PHRACK26.ARC: 89k :Phrack Issue #26
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PHRACK27.ARC: 113k :Phrack Issue #27
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PHRACK28.ARC: 121k :Phrack Issue #28
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PHRACK29.ARC: 124k :Phrack Issue #29
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PHRACK3 .ARC: 21k :Phrack Issue #3
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PHRACK30.ARC: 93k :Phrack Issue #30
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PHRACK4 .ARC: 39k :Phrack Issue #4
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PHRACK5 .ARC: 57k :Phrack Issue #5
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PHRACK6 .ARC: 18k :Phrack Issue #6
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PHRACK7 .ARC: 40k :Phrack Issue #7
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PHRACK8 .ARC: 40k :Phrack Issue #8
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PHRACK9 .ARC: 47k :Phrack Issue #9
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Other ARCed Newsletters - #8, 13 files.
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PIRATE2 .ZIP: 88k :Pirate Magazine, Issue #2
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PIRATE3 .ZIP: 56k :Pirate Magazine, Issue #3
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BIOC .ARC: 59k :The BIOC files on Telecommunications (BIOC Agent 003)
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BLUEBOX .ARC: 18k :Better Homes and Blueboxing (Mark Tabas)
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LODTJ1 .ARC: 107k :Legion of Doom Technical Journal #1
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LODTJ2 .ARC: 80k :Legion of Doom Technical Journal #2
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LODTJ3 .ARC: 85k :Legion of Doom Technical Journal #3
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PHUN1 .ARC: 49k :PHUN Newsletter #1
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PHUN2 .ARC: 76k :PHUN Newsletter #2
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PHUN3 .ARC: 119k :PHUN Newsletter #3
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PHUN4 .ARC: 79k :PHUN Newsletter #4
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SYNDICAT.ARC: 51k :The Syndicate Reports
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TCSB .ARC: 88k :Telecom Security Bulletin (DPAK)
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ARCed RISKS Digest - #9, 3 files.
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RISKS9 .64 : 14k :risks9.64
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RISKS9 .63 : 39k :risks9.63
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RISKS .PAK: 14k :An *old* assortment of RISKS Digests.
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ARCed comp.dcom.telecom - #10, 6 files.
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TEL .5 : 6k :TELECOM Digest Vol. 10 Issue 59
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TEL .4 : 32k :TELECOM Digest Special: List of Telcos
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TEL .3 : 4k :TELECOM DIGEST Vol. 10 Issue 53
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TEL .2 : 8k :TELECOM DIGET Special: Kevin Poulson
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TEL .1 : 16k :TELECOM DIGEST Special Edition on Computer Crime
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CC .TXT: 9k :Computer Crime
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Carrier Scans by NPA/NNX - #11, 7 files.
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214-767 .TXT: 6k :214-767 --govt exchange
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222 .NNX: 3k :carrier scan of 1-800-222-XXXX (WATS)
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310PREFX.TXT: 5k :An old scan...
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451 .NNX: 1k :carrier scan of 512-451-XXXX (Austin)
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473 .NNX: 2k :carrier scan of 512-473-XXXX (Austin)
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836 .NNX: 3k :carrier scan of 512-836-XXXX (Austin)
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976EXCH .TXT: 2k :An even older scan...
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Network NUA Scans - #12, 2 files.
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DNIC .TXT: 9k :Complete listing of DNICs for the world
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MISC-NUA.TXT: 34k :miscelaneous NUA and chat system. (I got these memorized!
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ARCed Anarachy Files - #14, 2 files.
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ATI46 .TXT: 25k :ATI issue 46�...
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ATI .ARC: 204k :Activist Times Incorporated Files #1-31.
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Newspaper & Magazine Clippings - #15, 6 files.
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POULSEN .TXT: 5k :Media-hype account of Kevin Poulsen (Chic Trib, Jan 21 '90
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RFC1135 .TXT: 76k :rfc1135 on the internet worm
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CAPMDNT .TXT: 8k :A file about Captain Midnight
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CCC .TXT: 3k :Update on CCC/KGB trials...
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CLIPS .ARC: 72k :An assortment of newspaper clippings about hacking.
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WGN .ARC: 74k :A transcript of a WGN radio show on computer hackers.
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Files listed: 89
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Copyright (C) 1993 LOD Communications. No part of this Work may be
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distributed or reproduced, electronically or otherwise, in part or in
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whole, without express written permission from LOD Communications
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