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SUBJECT: COMPUSERVE CONFERENCE TRANSCRIPT 2/19/89 FILE: UFO3220
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[The following is a transcript from the February 19, 1989 Online CompuServe
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conference with publisher, editor Vicki Cooper. Vicki has been affiliated with
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UFO Magazine since its start in 1986]
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User User ID Nod Rm Name / Forum Area
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13 75376,1620 CVK 5 Wedge
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23 73240,52 HAR 5 Alf
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26 74270,3360 LTS 5 Vicki
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42 73720,1605 VAN 5 Joe Holland
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46 76430,144 FTL 5 Mike Troyer
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47 71450,3504 ANN 5 Bert
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57 71211,2467 ALL 5 JAY
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60 76012,3361 MRT 5 Ted
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61 71340,276 SOR 5 Mark.Y
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64 75206,2130 SFM 5 Damien Barkan
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72 72727,2312 CVA 5 baj
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77 76703,266 DUK 5 G-WIZ
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84 72210,1213 DEQ 5 Michael Corbin
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92 72135,424 PNX 5 Jim Speiser Drax:
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93 72406,1736 HLY 5 Darrell Green
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97 70511,17 CRZ 5 Mike in absentia
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108 72677,360 DCD 5 Jennifer Ross
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Ted: Tonight we are fortunate to have as our special guest, Ms. Vicki Cooper [NO
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relation to Bill Cooper]. Vicki is co-publisher and editor of UFO magazine. In
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the past, Vicki has been editor for L.A. Parent Magazine and has written for the
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L.A. Times. In recent issues of UFO Magazine Vicki has been focusing on what she
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terms the "Control Factor." Before I open the floor screen?: to questions
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perhaps you could explain what it is you mean by the "Control Factor." Also if
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you have any prepared opening remarks this would be a good time to share them
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with us. Ok Go Ahead Vicki. GA
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Vicki: I want to start out by emphasizing a news article that has just appeared
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in the new issue of UFO. An investigative journalist in Wash. DC has received
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dependable information from sources who formerly worked at the Pentagon and who
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sat in on daily briefings with the Joint Chiefs of Staff. These sources have
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outlined a tight and complex internal command structure for dealing with the UFO
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situation, directed from the Pentagon's Natl. Military Command Center and
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encompassing just about every "Known" Authority/Agency within our government and
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intelligence apparatus. It would appear as if the notorious "secret team" which
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has orchestrated extensive and world wide covert operations in the name of
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"national security" is just as entrenched in directing and manipulating UFO
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research. In answering about the "control Factor": I see it in much the same
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light as Jacques Vallee. It seems to be a curious combo of an unseen force and
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influence by forces in very earthly intelligence communities. Infiltration,
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manipulation of the public perception of the UFO phenomenon. ga
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Ted: I will now open the the floor for ? GA
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Joe Holland: Can I ?
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Bert: ?
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Damien: ?
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Ted: Ok Joe GA
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Joe Holland: I don't understand your article about film producer Bob Emenegger.
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Was he first offered the Holloman film by the Air force, and was it then
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withdrawn by higher ups in the Pentagon? Was the content of the film described?
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Why does Emenegger think the Air Force has no secrets?
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Vicki: Frankly, I've had a number of conversations with Emenegger and I think
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he's unduly influenced by the AF. He SAYS he was first exposed to the Holloman
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film when he and filmmaker Alan Sandler were making a public relations film for
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the Defense Dept. He saw the film as an aside and has stated that it did in fact
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depict a saucer landing and GET THIS!: blue aliens getting out of the thing!! ga
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Wedge: ?
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Ted: Bert is next Ga
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Bert: Vicki, first I think there may have been a line missing from your opening
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statement. Could you check that, as there appeared to be reference to someone
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who had sat in on joint chiefs meeting ?: You have devoted a couple of issues of
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UFO to the News media and how they deal, or don't deal, with the UFO phenomenon.
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We also hear from time to time that there are people in the big media that
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suppress the issue can you comment on this possibility? ga
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Vicki: Big Media probably has suppression coming from both owners and the FCC,
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for various reasons. The biggest suppression, in my opinion, is the refusal by
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their top notch journalists to take the subject SERIOUSLY! ga
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Ted: Damien next GA
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Damien: Sorry, my first time on a conference I pass...
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Drax: ?
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Michael Corbin: ?
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Ted: GA Wedge
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Wedge: Vicki, since you have one of the best UFO Magazines in the country, and
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seem to bring out good information, have you been under any in your estimation:
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any kind of scrutiny by higher ups or have you had any strange things happen to
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you? ga
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Vicki: I believe they have an interest in us, for obvious reasons, but as far as
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intense scrutiny--lets say I feel the control factor shadow over me, but I
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cannot quite put my finger on things. It's one of the weirdnesses I experience
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all the time. I'm sometimes, ummmm, spooked! ga
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Ted: DRAX <nice to have you back!> ga
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Drax: Thanks, Ted, good to be back. Vicki, can you elaborate any on the
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investigative journalist and his source's information? Specifically, does his
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info resemble the MJ-12 infrastructure at all? GA
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Vicki: A great question. It so happens that lately as I look at the reporter's
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article, I'm nervous at how the coordination between the infrastructure he
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describes fits in maybe a little too neatly with MJ-12 info. I also received a
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flow chart from a researcher here that the Pentagon sources also corroborated
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somewhat. This guy told me that publishing the flow chart would invite undue
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scrutiny from government types...EEK! It's in this latest ISSUE. If you don't
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hear from me, it's been nice!ga
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Ted: Thanks for the CO-OPERation Vicki. GA Mike Corbin
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Michael Corbin: Nothing at this time, Ted.
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Ted: I guess I will ask a question. Vicki, how long has UFO Magazine been in
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circulation and over that period of time what changes have you seen in the UFO
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phenomenon? GA
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Vicki: We published our first issue in '86. It's been less changes in the field,
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for me, than changes in my perception and attitude about things. The influence
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of this control factor and what I am convinced is intelligence manipulation has
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made me more hardnosed and interested in getting facts, about just what the hell
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the gov't is up to. Suppression, cover-up, is only part of the story. GA
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Michael Corbin: ?
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Wedge: ?
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Ted: Vicki, can you give us a specific example of how the CONTROL FACTOR has
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affect you? GA
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Vicki: DAMN. I wish I had great specific examples. What I observe is some
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manipulation of the field and of cases, I believe, so that research is
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contained. Nothing ever really gets done as far as opening things up. And it has
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affected me by making me increasingly aware of the relationship between covert
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action in general which runs outside of public scrutiny and the manipulations of
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people and information in this field. I have felt that our mag has perhaps been
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"fed" information. For instance: There is just too much emphasis on the MJ-12
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stuff. I feel it could be a diversion. From what? That's the question. GA
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Ted: Mike C next GA
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JIM: ?
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M. Corbin: Ted, you asked the ? I was going to, but Vicki, do you feel that
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there is any way to get a more specific handle on where this "feeding" is coming
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from....Are they sources or people writing columns. ga
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Vicki: I think--and I stress, think--that sources who are ostensibly gov't. and
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intel. connected jam the circuits with outrageous and untestable info in order
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to distract and fragment. I know from history that the CIA, for example, has
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infiltrated media. The NY Times published an excellent article in the '70s that
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dealt with just that type of domestic infiltration.
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Ted: Ok Mike, Follow? ga
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M. Corbin: Assuming this to be true and the fact that there is so much emphasis
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on MJ-12, could there be an intelligence connection to this and the show that
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aired in October? ga
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Vicki: Absolutely. It seems there was undue influence from the Moore Shandera
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duo in that program. And let's face it. They would as much as admit that they
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play closely with spookery in order to promote their MJ-12 scenario. They would
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not, of course, use the word "promote." But the outcome is just the same. Condor
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and Falcon are turkeys of the first order, in my estimation! ga
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Ted: Wedge is up GA
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Wedge: Vicki, I can remember a time when I would get on here on Sunday nights
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with Speiser and we would talk about lots of other things than UFO's, because
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they were not in the news. Why do you think UFO's are coming back at this time?
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Do you have any theories on this and the gov't position at this new flap time?
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Vicki: Maybe UFOs are back because it's a "sexy" topic! They also seem to be
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flying around, lots. Lots is going on. I believe the gov't may have a vested
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interest in, if not helping with quality information, at least keeping the
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subject, the UFO myth, somewhat alive in people consciousness. For my part, I
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simply can't stop being absorbed in all this stuff. It's a matter of keepin'
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on. GA
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Drax: ?
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Ted: If a CompuServe member wanted to contribute an article or paper to UFO
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Magazine what kind of material are you looking for, what criteria do you use to
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accept or reject submissions and how should they go about making the submission?
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GA
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Vicki: We're always looking for good case material, but we play... Opinion
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pieces are always a good place to start. I, of course, appreciate people who
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can write well and I have a particular fondness for material that helps unplug
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the secrecy constraints. That's why the guy in D.C., with the Pentagon and
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State Dept. sources, I feel can bring more credibility and brass tacks to the
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magazine. GA
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Ted: GA Drax
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Drax: That touches on something I want to ask about. UFO Magazine claims to
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provide a forum for theories on ETs, etc. You also want to get down to brass
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tacks, as you say, and contribute to an ultimate solution. What happens if you
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find those two goals at odds with each other? For instance, what if you find you
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are giving a forum to individuals or groups who you feel are not contributing to
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finding the solution, and may in fact be detrimental to that goal? Where would
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you draw the line? GA
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Vicki: It's one of the biggest problems with UFO. I have felt that as I said, we
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have been fed info at times. As an editor, with some integrity, it would be my
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job to expose such falsities. But I almost need to understand the complexities
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of the entire intelligence profession to know what's going on! It's something
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that troubles me. Also, Sherie [Sherie is the co-publisher with Vicki] and I
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both believe that we have to be open to the larger picture.
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Any suggestions? GA
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Bert: ?
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Drax: Sorry I have to vacate the premises. Bye. Thanks Vicki!
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Vicki: Bye, Jim. Sorry to see you go.
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Ted: Wedge is next <sorry, I was knocked off for a minute - Control Factor????:
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GA Dale
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Wedge: Vicki...would you care to discuss your thoughts about any investigations
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going on i.e. Gulf Breeze, etc: and how you view them or the organizations that
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sponsor the investigations?ga
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Vicki: The organizations involved with Gulf Breeze, etc., MUFON, other
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investigators, are probably influenced by the control factor, mainly because if
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the Robertson Panel directives are still in operation, they're infiltrated.
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Also, it seems there are few investigative standards that everyone can agree
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upon. The Gulf Breeze case has gotten a lot of attention from media and from the
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mainstream ufological community. I am always suspicious of those types of cases.
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For Chrissakes! None can even agree if Mr. Ed. is a credible individual. Frankly
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I can't stand UFOs that look like upside down teapots. I'm for the good old
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shiny disc. GA
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Wedge: I think Ted got knowcked off again. GA M. Corbin.
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M. Corbin: Thanks...
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Ted: I'm back!
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Wedge: I let M. Corbin go Ted.
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Ted: Bert is next and then Mike C
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Bert: Vicki, do you know of any people at all in the government I'm thinking
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mainly of congress: who are interested and/or are making an effort to confront
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the UFO issue? GA
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Wedge: !
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Vicki: I know of no names of congresspersons. But I do know there is one man,
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whose name escapes me who is or was a special asst. to Sen. Claiborne Pell. He
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has apparently interfaced with some UFO researchers and allegedly has an
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interest in the phenomenon. I just cannot believe, in this tight administration
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run by a former CIA director, that it would be in the interest of any
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congressperson to openly address the UFO issue. You know, of course, Heh-heh:
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that our Mr. Moore claims that members of congress are interested in hearing the
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testimony of Falcon and Condor. Now, who would be the birdbrain in such a
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situation?? GA
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Ted: Mike Corbin <New ParaNet-Alpha Sysop and Manager> ga
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M. Corbin: Thanks, Ted. Vicki, I am really curious with all of the purported
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allegations of a government 'disinformation' campaign, what the real truth could
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be to the phenomenon. Since MJ-12 deals with so much bizarre activity, what is
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left for us to speculate about what the real truth is? Any feelings on this? ga
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Vicki: Mike, as you typed your question, it went off the screen. But I believe I
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have the gist of it. First of all, from a number of "independent" sources,
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there appears to be a coordinated scenario that depicts, to be brief, an active
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inner gov't. team which has in-depth knowledge about UFOs and also apparently
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has interfaced with the aliens. That's the portrait which is somewhat
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haphazardly being put before the public. It's known that the CIA practices
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disinformation by stabilizing lines of propaganda that fulfills their own
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mysterious purposes. I of course can't be sure, but I believe the scenario has
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some important relationship to our defense stance. And I mean conventional
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defense stance. It makes me think that there is need for this in what they'd
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call a national security sense. It's too deep and too political for me to
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fathom, but it relates to what technology we have, or at least what they'd want
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us and others KGB?: to THINK we have. Do you see? For someone in my capacity,
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it's all speculation. Exciting, bizarre cloak 'n' dagger, but speculation,
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nonetheless. GA
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Ted: Wedge GA
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Wedge: I was just going to add that there is a Congressman from Florida who is
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interested in the lake Erie sighting. He has oversight connections to the Coast
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Guard which was at the scene of our case. This is being worked on at this
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moment. Lastly, do you see any type of religious interaction with what is going
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on in the UFO scene. This was something that many have brought up on this
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Forum? ga
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Ted: Dale, what do you mean "oversight connections"? ga
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Wedge: The Congressman has oversight connections to the Coast Guard he sits on
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an oversight committee. He wants answers to our case, and has stated that he
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would have investigations.ga
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Ted: I would like to come back to that in a later CO. OK Vicki GA
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Vicki: Get that senator on the phone, quick! Maybe he'd like to take part in the
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UFO summit meeting that some people here, and Don, are helping to plan. It would
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get all these crazy cards on the table and clear the path for the next big move
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in ufology. It will be absolutely crucial to have someone like him, or many like
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him, on board. Should I take the time NOW to answer the religious question? More
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input, por favor! GA
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Ted: Sure, GA
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Vicki: It can't be denied--many, many, many people seem drawn to putting UFOs in
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a religious context. I think that's a mistake, as far as ufology and fact
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gathering go, but what if there ARE aliens, and what if they ARE more "tuned in"
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to the force that makes life what it is? If that is the case then we indeed have
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an impending transformation in regards to our concept of God. What dismays me,
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and apparently contradicts much of what seems to really be going on, is this
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vast tendency to want to make the aliens ETs, and to make those ETs benefactors
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and holders of some higher, spiritual powers. There are just so many cases of
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the aliens who are cut-and-dried and inhumane in what they do to humans. Are
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these God-like qualities, Hell, no. It's strange how so many crave space
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brothers in this schtick. GA
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Wedge: We're talking Good versus Evil. We're not talking about Space Brothers,
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we're talking about mis-information on a cosmic scale that deals with a dark
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side that's whole purpose is to make people think that it is either a benefactor
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race or a Space Brother. Damn, I got to get that paper done I am writing. It
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will be out next month, tops.ga
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Vicki: In the grand design, I don't know what it all means. Cosmically, it seems
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there are these two black-and-white sides. It seems that the human mind wants to
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polarize. Both the benefactors and the little grey meanies get lots of press!
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The true issue may be man's belief system, the cosmic change it may be going
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through. Have you read any of Jacques Vallee's work? He has, I think, a handle
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on that sort of thing. Cults are built around these beliefs. That's controlling
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at least my framework, at times. If I could only separate the intelligence
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shenanigans from the mysterious belief changers who may be coming not from
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another planet but from a dimension beyond materiality. GA
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Ted: Another dimension? Which dimension is that? ga
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Vicki: Take the 405 Freeway to the interstellar offramp. There's a little gin
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joint there run by my guru talk about dimensions! Well, the beer is great!
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Hee-hee: GA
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Ted: Ah HA! I'll bet I'd run into Zephod Bebblebrox sp?: there, Eh? ga
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Vicki: Oh, yeah, yeah. GA
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Mark.Y: ?
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Ted: Ga Mark Y.
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Mark.Y: Vicki, have you noticed any correlation between UFO phenomena and other
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paranormal activity, e.g., ghosts, demons, witchcraft, etc.? GA
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Vicki: I have a "source" here who insists that the occult and witchcraft are a
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part of the phenomenon. He's a conspiracy buff and much of his info is hard to
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follow. On the factual side, I know there are a number of UFO witnesses who have
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experienced extensive psychokinetic activity in conjunction with their UFO
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experiences. In some cases there has been a relationship between poltergeist
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activity and UFO events. When you look at the details of many abduction cases,
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such as the ones Budd Hopkins has researched, time and again there are reports
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of the "aliens" floating through walls, floating bodies up, paralysis, etc. And
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I think it should be noted that "black" programs in our government may have some
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mysterious ways of engendering hallucinations, not to mention psychic research
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which could institute the kinds of phenomena that some would call paranormal or
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psychic. And you know, the Soviets have been at it longer and with more
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seriousness than we have. If we're doing it, baby, it's SECRET!! GA
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Ted: Mark, if we are successful, we will have Debra Tomey Kathie Davis of
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"Intruders": next SATURDAY for a special afternoon CO. She has had some STRANGE
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experiences AFTER her abduction which could be called psychokinetic. Watch the
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Message board in the next couple of days to see if we actually can get her. Ok
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any other ? for Vicki? ga
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Mark.Y: ?
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Ted: GA Mark
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JAY: !!!!!
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Mark.Y: Ok this is a follow-up:. Vicki, would you think that these paranormal
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activities could be pretending to be UFOs? GA
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Vicki: Before I answer that, let me note that in a book review Don wrote he
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tells about the author, Dan Cohen, calling Kathie Davis "the type of person who
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reads the National Enquirer." That kind of lambasting is the control factor at
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its horrible finest! Now, to your question. Yes. I believe a UFO could be a
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fabrication. Look at what we can do already with lasers, with holograms. It's
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not really absurd that after years of secret R&D, "we" could have come up with
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psychokinetic technology that could damn well mock up just about anything. It
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gives a whole new meaning to the boogey-man, doesn't it? GA
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Ted: Mark, is that what you meant? ga
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Mark.Y: Close. I was thinking more in lines that ghosts, demons or the like
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could be pretending to be UFOs particularly in close-encounters 3 & 4 cases:.
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GA
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Ted: I thought so, GA Vicki
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Mike Troyer: ?
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Vicki: Wicked demons masquerading as UFOs. You know, I find that idea intriguing
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and I wouldn't put it past those buggers. The question is just how could we
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tell? Again, it's the absence of hard evidence that has us stuck. Ghosts on the
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astral realm may have a real fun time charging people up as blasted UFOs. But
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how do you explain encounters over military installations? Cases of UFOs
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absorbing pilots, aircraft, throwing off missile launches? Thems some ghosts! Or
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should I say "spooks?" GA
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Ted: GA JAY
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JAY: WHAT TIME SATURDAY? GA
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Ted: Jay, we don't know yet. It will probably be in the afternoon if at all
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check the message board, say, Tuesday. Anything else JAY GA
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Bert: ?
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JAY: BIBLE Says that in the last days there would be many sights and wonders in
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the sky. ga
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Ted: Yes, there sure have been those lately. Any comment Vicki? ga
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Vicki: The Biblical references fit in, that's for sure. The Book of Ezekiel is
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one that's filled with UFO imagery. I guess on the historical time frame we are
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in the "last days." Have you heard about the UFO researchers who became
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convinced that UFOs represented the anti-Christ? I still think connecting
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religion with actual UFO study and research is a mistake. It confuses the issue
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and feeds a mythology that has little connection and no support to gathering
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evidence that affixes UFO reality. The Bible-thumpers have a lot of heat, but
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very little light. That's not to say that science will have the whole ball of
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wax. In the final analysis it would seem UFOs represent an uncanny interaction
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between nuts-and-bolts and the tale of humanity outlined in religious myth and
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cultural heritage. Now that sounds so high and mighty that it probably doesn't
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mean much. I need some hard questions? I interface with just about everybody in
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the UFO field! So whattya want to know?? GA
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Bert: ?
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Ted: Mike Troyer, how about a Hard question? ga
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Mike Troyer: Well, as a relative newcomer who's not afraid to appear dumb, let
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me ask what seems to me to be the obvious questions:. First, Vicki, have YOU
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ever seen what you would describe as a UFO? ga
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Vicki: Can you believe it? I've never seen a UFO. But I did see a meteor or
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shooting star one night, out near Joshua Tree, CA where there's been lots of UFO
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activity. It was so big, and occurred at an emotional moment of conversation.
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The timing was such that I felt there was an odd sort of synchronicity to it,
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one that implied a form of intelligence to me. In the old days, they would have
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called it an "omen." Or, for that matter, a "sign or wonder" in the sky!! I
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felt very religious about it for days afterward. GA
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Ted: Any follow Mike? ga
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Mike Troyer: Secondly, Let me ask you if you BELIEVE in what we commonly refer
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to as UFO's? GA
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Vicki: You've gotta be kidding! I'm only driven, to the point of OBSESSION, to
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do this magazine. I have a strong almost bizarre compulsion to make the UFO
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subject more acceptable to wider number of people and there are times, too many
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times, when my whole life revolves around doing this magazine and doing it
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better and better all the time. You should see the recent issue hold for a
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commercial break!: Tons of good stuff, black helicopter info, an inside look at
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Strieber's new movie, the gov't. infrastructure and, as we say, much, much more.
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I simply am hooked on UFOs and can't let it go. GA
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Ted: Bert Ga
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Mark.Y: ?
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Bert: Vicki, I've just finished reading "Don't Look Up" by Danny Gordon and Paul
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Dellinger, who are both journalists. It deals with the sightings going on in
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Wythville VA and thereabouts. What's interesting is that here are two
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JOURNALISTS who are focusing on over 1000 sightings in the last year or so. Have
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you had any contact with these guys? And what do you think generally of the VA
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flap? ga
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M Corbin: Nite all. Thanks Vicki and Ted. I have enjoyed this!!
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Vicki: I've talked to Danny Gordon a number of times and he sends me his
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newsletter. He's another journalist who got pulled into the UFO thing. He told
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me at times, for him, it was also an obsession, in the same sense as I just
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described. He was convinced that it was military activity for the longest time.
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Yet the book is filled with drawings that depict the most unusual craft, taken
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directly from witness accounts. I can't help thinking that the Wytheville flap
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could be an example of a manufactured UFO wave. But the book tells tale after
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witness tale of sightings. Many were are: huge craft that flew at unbelievably
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high or low speeds. "Don't Look Up" is reviewed in this issue. I like Danny. He
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gave a presentation before UPI reporters in VA, wherein he tried to rally them
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to look seriously at the subject and begin doing their job as reporters with it.
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Incidentally, a known NY journalist, Howard Blum, is writing a book on the UFO
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cover-up. He has written about espionage, about the Walker Spy case, for one. I
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love seeing journalists doing there thing for UFOs. Every little bit helps. GA
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Ted: GA Bert
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Bert: I guess we also need to keep in mind that Danny Gordon has had 29
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sightings himself at the time the manuscript was finished:. One further
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question, how much of an impact do you think the upcoming abduction movies
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Communion, Intruders, Fire in the Sky: are going to have on the general public's
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perception of what may be going on. Seems to me it could have a major effect,
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since movies are something people discuss more openly with each other. ga
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Vicki: It's curious, though, how movies are talked about, but often the
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information in them is dismissed after a short time. It's possible these flicks
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could have a short-term effect. Just last night here in CA, we discussed the
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effect of using that immediate public reaction to those films to galvanize
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public sentiment toward getting loud about the UFO thing. We are considering a
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form of "leafletting" about the UFO summit outside the theaters for example. I
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try to fight that depressing feeling that people can be exposed again and again
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to this information and yet just sit on their duffs when it comes to doing
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something. There seems to be a "veil" up. That's the stigma that surrounds the
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UFO area. It's been there for SO long! What is it going to take to break that
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veil? We need proof that we can slap everyone with. Until the phenomenon makes
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itself more "present" it may be the usual frustration. Any idea on what will
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mobilize public sentiment? Sometimes I feel that if I could do it, I'd arrange
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an abduction encounter for Dan Rather!! Just kidding. I would not wish that on
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anyone. But what will do it? What will do it? GA
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Bert: !
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Ted: Good ?. I guess there are no good answers. Mark Y. is next GA Mark
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Mark.Y: Pass
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Ted: GA Bert
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Bert: Just wanted to note that since the MUFON meeting in Las Vegas will have
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COVERUP as it's theme, that might be cause to attempt a media alert. GA
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Ted: Any other ?s ga
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Ted: Vicki, I want to thank you for spending your Sunday evening with us. I has
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been a very enjoyable experience for us. I hope that soon you will become a
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REGULAR here on our forum. I also want to thank Don Ecker for the time he spent
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helping to put this CO together. Thanks Guys and Gals! Vicki, any final
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comments? ga
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Vicki: Thanks for this opportunity, Ted. I hope to be able to be on the forum
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regularly. By the way, Don urges response to his HUMMUT.TXT! Again my thanks. GA
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Ted: Nite all!
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Bert: Thanks, Vicki and Don.
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Vicki: Nite, stay happy.
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